Anonymous wrote:I don't know any Dems who want complete open borders.

Andrew Yang is touting UBI. Has anyone seen his explanation of how that works with open borders?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democrat on every issue but not illegal immigration. I really don't get it.

Can someone explain why I should be in favor of basically eliminating immigration laws that I have to abide by in every other country? Is the US to become the a Australia of old, where all the criminals can come here without legal papers and be able to stay? I'm in favor of immigration but it seems like it should be for those who followed the rules and not those playing the game.

This is a big issue to me and it will impact my vote. Are there any Democrat candidates who I can support?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/16/democrats-say-no-one-is-above-law-except-illegal-immigrants/

No one is in favor of no immigration laws. No one WANTS illegal immigration. Well, except the business owners (mostly republicans) who want to take advantage of cheap, illegals in their hell houses of employment.

Spoken like a true liberal. The Dems know that in 20 years, the anchor babies of the illegals will be voting 80% Democrats.

Don’t be so sure of that. Among immigrants there is an attitude of I have mine, now close the border.

Anonymous wrote:NONE OF THE DEM CANDIDATES WANT TO ELIMINATE IMMIGRATION LAWS. Therefore, I am going to declare OP either a troll, or too dim to understand that the "democrats want open borders" line is Republican propaganda.

How do you explain decriminalizing border crossing?

NONE OF THE DEM CANDIDATES WANT TO ELIMINATE IMMIGRATION LAWS. Therefore, I am going to declare OP either a troll, or too dim to understand that the "democrats want open borders" line is Republican propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden is your only option.

How so? Biden said he wants to give health care to illegals (when many in the middle class can't even afford Obamacare)! Moderates will not vote for someone who wants to provide more enticements for illegals to swarm in.

Biden said they can get emergency care... Which they already do at emergency rooms since hospitals can't turn them away. Biden is not offering them health insurance (ACA didn't either).

He's not changing anything - https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2019/07/06/bidens-healthcare-idea-for-undocumented-immigrants-already-exists/#240b3b392805
Biden’s Healthcare Idea For Undocumented Immigrants Already Exists

Former vice president Joe Biden’s support of emergency healthcare services for undocumented immigrants is an idea already woven into U.S. health policy and offered voluntarily by nonprofit hospitals.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know any Dems who want complete open borders.

If a candidate is offering an increase in social services for illegal immigrants (free community college, free healthcare, free meals, etc), that is essentially going to lead to an increase in illegal immigration.

If a candidate wants to decriminalize crossing the border illegally, that is essentially supporting open borders.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, totally agree with your post like the silent majority does. This issue is what’s going to give Trump the next election. Most Americans value what they have to much to just throw it away.

Yup! And the Ds are so out of touch that they don't realize this. What they are bacsically saying is "vote for me because I will give benefits to people who break into our country illegally."

Sorry, not a winning campaign message.

It actually is a winning campaign message in some parts of the country!

In Montgomery County, the AOC rally was well-attended and local politicians tout how MoCo is a Sanctuary County. Montgomery county is solid blue and voters will support candidates who support illegal immigration.

Look at CA. They passed a law to offer taxpayer-funded healthcare to illegal immigrants.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know any Dems who want complete open borders.

Sorry, but their actions are screaming so loudly I can't hear what they're saying.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know any Dems who want complete open borders.

Take a look at most of the democratic candidates. They are campaigning the get rid of immigration enforcement and decriminalize crossing the border. Even Jeh Johnson, President Obama's DHS chief said this amounts to open borders.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a democrat and wish there were humane but common sense immigration reforms to include stronger enforcement along the border, no family separation during detention, real consequences for employers of undocumented employees, realistic numbers of temporary work visas that include STEM professions and also blue collar workers in key industries like agriculture, construction, etc.

I supported DACA because at some point we need to invest in kids who were raised here and let them contribute as employable, tax-paying would-be citizen.

I've spent many years in and around Latin America and have met so many people who have worked illegally in the U.S. and then gone back to their home countries (voluntarily or by deportation).

Most really don't want to live forever in the U.S. They get "stuck" there because of their illegal status and often live relatively lonely lives while losing contact with home. I think if they had, say, a five-year work visa tied to an industry (not to a specific employer) that allowed them to travel and return, they would be much more likely to maintain ties in their home countries and more likely to leave at the end of the visa.

Regarding DACA- who better to go back and make changes for the betterment of their countries than someone who has an American education and understanding of how our system works?

Regarding not wanting to live in the US - a Marshall Plan type of investment would be the best way to address this. We need to make their countries liveable so they dont come here. This would only work when coupled with strict border and Visa enforcement and no benefits for being here illegally

I don't know any Dems who want complete open borders.

I'm a democrat and wish there were humane but common sense immigration reforms to include stronger enforcement along the border, no family separation during detention, real consequences for employers of undocumented employees, realistic numbers of temporary work visas that include STEM professions and also blue collar workers in key industries like agriculture, construction, etc.

I supported DACA because at some point we need to invest in kids who were raised here and let them contribute as employable, tax-paying would-be citizen.

I've spent many years in and around Latin America and have met so many people who have worked illegally in the U.S. and then gone back to their home countries (voluntarily or by deportation).

Most really don't want to live forever in the U.S. They get "stuck" there because of their illegal status and often live relatively lonely lives while losing contact with home. I think if they had, say, a five-year work visa tied to an industry (not to a specific employer) that allowed them to travel and return, they would be much more likely to maintain ties in their home countries and more likely to leave at the end of the visa.

Anonymous wrote:I'm not for "illegal" immigration, but I am for a change in the law that allows for guest workers and the like - not just high-tech folks, but general labor, as well.

FWIW, OP, you, as an American, can pretty much go anywhere in the world without issue. Most non-Europeans, have great difficulty just getting a visa to vacation in the U.S., much less immigrate.

Yes, they do, because the people who overlook our visas are on the lookout for visa fraud and potential overstays. People who can show through ties to their home country, bank accounts, businesses etc. that they just want to visit Disney and go home to not have a problem getting a vacation visa.

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Anonymous wrote:I have asked this question here before and haven’t seen any D candidates address the problem beyond the “all are welcome” vague rhetoric.

There was a bi-partisan bill passed in the Senate in 2013. The GOP controlled House refused to take it up at all. Let's start there. That is what most of the democratic candidates have said.

That 2013 bill offered amnesty to every illegal immigrant in the country. I can't even fathom how many people would be rushing to our border to get here in time to get that amnesty or stay long enough for us to grant another amnesty. Did we learn any lessons from the last time we did it? It was 1 million that got amnesty last time. Now there are multiples of that. No no no no no!

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, totally agree with your post like the silent majority does. This issue is what’s going to give Trump the next election. Most Americans value what they have to much to just throw it away.

Yup! And the Ds are so out of touch that they don't realize this. What they are bacsically saying is "vote for me because I will give benefits to people who break into our country illegally."

Sorry, not a winning campaign message.

Unfortunately this is right. Democrats are misreading the voters on this issue. There is a difference between treating people with dignity while still sending them back to their country of citizenship and amnesty where we also give free education and healthcare to anyone who can run across the border or overstay their visa. Most want the former- to treat people humanely but still send them back even if they:
- "only" committed the crime of crossing the border illegally or overstaying their visa
- had children here
- been here for 20+ years
- like hotdogs and apple pie
-coach little league

Yup. But instead, Dems are opposed to sending back illegals even if they are convicted of drunk driving. It's got to be a VIOLENT crime in their minds.

But why? Why is the priority to protect illegals who not only break into our country but violate additional crimes once they get here? We even had a liberal judge sneak a drunk driver out the back door of her courtroom because ICE agents were waiting out front to deport him. Why so intent on protecting a criminal alien and risking the lives of Americans?

The Dems have their priorities all mixed up: illegals count ahead of Americans! And this is why Trump will win.