Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 13:05     Subject: ICE Raids
Liberal here:

The problem conservatives do not address is that CBP has essentially shut down the legal border entry points to asylum seekers. They are purposely slow rolling the processing of claims. They essentially tell the person presenting themselves legally “No you can’t apply. Go away.”

So when you say “Apply for asylum legally,” you are being disingenuous. The Trump Administration has effectively shut down the legal avenue. That’s why you are seeing illegal border crossings for asylum seekers spiking like crazy.

It’s a manufactured crisis. Just resume business-as-usual at legal points of entry (take their claim, get them in front of judge/case workers, make an administrative decision) and you’ll see the illegal crossings go down.

Further, allow asylum seekers to apply at embassies. This currently isnt allowed under US law.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:52     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?

Red meat for the base.


Is there any solution between the "Red Meat For The Base Crowd" and "Virtue Signal For Open Borders Crowd"?

It's too bad be don't have a Congress that could deal this.

For those who claim illegal immigrants grow the economy, please explain why one DMV county's economic growth has flatlined as the tax cuts for Democratic contributors has increased? Asking for a friend.


Are you referring to Montgomery County?

Please tell your friend that the County’s liberal policies are anti-business and few will take the risk of locating there.

The good news us that the economic juggernaut of Northern Virginia will provide jobs for those who stay behind in MoCo. The commute isn’t bad.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:50     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?

Red meat for the base.


This. Trump isn't serious about illegal immigration. He's just using the issue, and will continue to use it, to consolidate power. If he actually solves it, he won't have anything to run on.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:49     Subject: ICE Raids
$100 is far too low.

If only there was a way to stop the coyotes. Hmmmm.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:47     Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My solution would be that:

1) Anyone who is caught crossing into this country illegally cannot then claim asylum as a "backup." Out you go.

2) Anyone who is not carrying proof of asylum (persecution based on religion or politics) and is depending simply on a story, out you go.

3) We charge a $100 fee to process asylum claims, which would be returned if asylum is granted. (And don't tell me these people don't have $100. I see cell phones and expensive sneakers galore, and they came up with thousand of dollars to pay coyotes.)

4) We de-incentivize illegal immigration by a) charging a transaction fee of 50% to all money sent from the U.S. to Central American countries unless the person can prove citizenship, and b) stop promising more freebies to illegal aliens.


Why penalize those from Central American countries. If you charge a transaction fee it should be to all countries. Your racism is abundantly apparently with your need to treat Central Americans different from illegal immigrants from Ireland, Russia, or Nigeria.


Show me on the judge ordered deportation orders where only CAs are targeted. Link please. These are lawful deportation orders being implemented by a Congressionally approved authorization and appropriation.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:40     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?

Red meat for the base.


Is there any solution between the "Red Meat For The Base Crowd" and "Virtue Signal For Open Borders Crowd"?

It's too bad be don't have a Congress that could deal this.

For those who claim illegal immigrants grow the economy, please explain why one DMV county's economic growth has flatlined as the tax cuts for Democratic contributors has increased? Asking for a friend.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:36     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a moderate Democrat and it is ridiculous there is an uproar about deporting people who ALREADY went through the asylum process and were ordered to leave.

Thank you Democratic Party for shooting yourself in both feet. Trump 2020 looks like a sure thing.


I agree and I too don’t understand the democrat party on this issue. I don’t know how to reconcile my beliefs with the party and how to vote. But, I can never see myself ever voting again for anyone in Mitch McConnell/Donald Trump party. And I have voted republican in the past, mostly on the local level.

Signed,
Independent leaning Democrat.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:32     Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:My solution would be that:

1) Anyone who is caught crossing into this country illegally cannot then claim asylum as a "backup." Out you go.

2) Anyone who is not carrying proof of asylum (persecution based on religion or politics) and is depending simply on a story, out you go.

3) We charge a $100 fee to process asylum claims, which would be returned if asylum is granted. (And don't tell me these people don't have $100. I see cell phones and expensive sneakers galore, and they came up with thousand of dollars to pay coyotes.)

4) We de-incentivize illegal immigration by a) charging a transaction fee of 50% to all money sent from the U.S. to Central American countries unless the person can prove citizenship, and b) stop promising more freebies to illegal aliens.


Why penalize those from Central American countries. If you charge a transaction fee it should be to all countries. Your racism is abundantly apparently with your need to treat Central Americans different from illegal immigrants from Ireland, Russia, or Nigeria.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:27     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?





Because Trump wants there to be violence.

There’s already violence. Thanks dems!!
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 12:17     Subject: Re:ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:OP - I doubt you will get any reasonable responses from liberals because there really is no reasonable solution that doesn't include detention and deportation.

A whole lot of virtue signaling going on with the liberals these days.

Liberals don’t want the rule of law. They want to do whatever they want to do to amass power so they can dictate how Americans live their life.
Expect this thread to get deleted.
Moderator is not a fan of ice.

Or rule of law
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 11:08     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?


So why are the raids being publicized days in advance?

“It’s unprecedented. But there is a political purpose behind it,” Thomas Kilbride, a retired Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agent and ICE policy adviser, told Fox News. He said the president has tried to get Democrats to come to the table because asylum laws need to change, and this is a way to bargain.

Other experts have underscored that Trump’s announcements are something of a gesture – and not something that the administration was under any legal obligation to do.

“The main point here is that the Trump administration is trying to circumvent some of the blowback from the other side of the aisle. It sends the message that these people have been notified to self-deport and if they fail to do that, this might happen,” said Steve Bucci, homeland security expert at the Heritage Foundation. “It is saying that we aren’t monsters, what we are doing is in accordance with the law and in a reasonable fashion.

"Past administrations didn’t announce raids because they didn’t have to, they just did them.”


https://www.foxnews.com/us/why-those-ice-raids-are-being-announced-in-advance

Frankly, I hope they surprise everyone and start the raids today.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 11:06     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a moderate Democrat and it is ridiculous there is an uproar about deporting people who ALREADY went through the asylum process and were ordered to leave.

Thank you Democratic Party for shooting yourself in both feet. Trump 2020 looks like a sure thing.


+1000. I’m a Democrat too and am watching this unfold in horror, but I think it’s already too late. Trump will be re-elected.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 10:49     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?





Because Trump wants there to be violence.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 10:48     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?




So stable, much genius.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2019 10:24     Subject: ICE Raids
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a moderate Democrat and it is ridiculous there is an uproar about deporting people who ALREADY went through the asylum process and were ordered to leave.

Thank you Democratic Party for shooting yourself in both feet. Trump 2020 looks like a sure thing.


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