Anonymous wrote:Same dudes on this topic droning on month after month, It gets old.

The mediocrity gets old.

Same dudes on this topic droning on month after month, It gets old.

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Anonymous wrote:So they beat T&T 6-0 but then only win against Curaçao by 1 and everyone is already casting judgment 10 games into GB’s tenure.

Sigh.

How many games do you need to figure out that this coach just does not have it what it takes to coach at the international level? We were outplayed by Curacao for most of the game and even had to add a third CB to hold onto a win! What would it take for us to get a real coach? A lopsided loss to Tonga or American Samoa?

It takes more games than this.
You have to give a coach a chance to get his system/players into place, and give everything a chance to gel.
Yeah, they've sucked so far, but why not give him some time? You think there's a fantastic, established coach just waiting for a call from the US?

We could have had Tata, who was the best MLS coach last year. Time to gel excuse does not cut it. Mexico hired Tata around the same time we hired Berhalter. His Mexico team looks well organized and playing like a unit, despite many of the top Mexican players deciding to skip this tournament.

By the end of this tournament, when he's lifting the trophy, Tata will have had us. But we got Jay's brother, and that's what Don Garber wanted...

Anonymous wrote:Stop... Lopetegui called US and we turned him away because Jay’s brother was getting the job.

If that is not nepotism, I don't know what is.

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Anonymous wrote:So they beat T&T 6-0 but then only win against Curaçao by 1 and everyone is already casting judgment 10 games into GB’s tenure.

Sigh.

How many games do you need to figure out that this coach just does not have it what it takes to coach at the international level? We were outplayed by Curacao for most of the game and even had to add a third CB to hold onto a win! What would it take for us to get a real coach? A lopsided loss to Tonga or American Samoa?

It takes more games than this.
You have to give a coach a chance to get his system/players into place, and give everything a chance to gel.
Yeah, they've sucked so far, but why not give him some time? You think there's a fantastic, established coach just waiting for a call from the US?

We could have had Tata, who was the best MLS coach last year. Time to gel excuse does not cut it. Mexico hired Tata around the same time we hired Berhalter. His Mexico team looks well organized and playing like a unit, despite many of the top Mexican players deciding to skip this tournament.

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Anonymous wrote:The crowning jewel of the US Soccer Development Academy

Abso-fikin-lutely.

After 10 years of the DA program, the best we can manage is this? An utter and complete embarrassment and should cause (but won't) an examination of why our style of play is always so poor and how the DA is hurting, not helping the development in the USA.

The DA has lead to far more US players going overseas to play for better teams.
The fact that US coaching is so bad that it doesn't lead to better National teams isn't on the DA, it's on the coaching.

DA is useless because US Soccer and their MLS masters are useless when it comes to player development. They created a system where well-off parents pay through the nose to get soccer education for their Messi wannabes, while MLS owners sit on their greedy butts and wait to draft them out of college. Meanwhile, less-well-off kids are left to fend for themselves. In Brazil, a poor kid with talent would have teams fighting over him.

It works for the US women only because hardly any other nation invests much in the women's game.

And please spare me the tired old cliche about how soccer is a "minor sport" and American kids aren't interested. There are plenty who are. And if you think we can't chew gum and walk at the same time, look at this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Croatian_NBA_players

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Free youth leagues dont make susperstars or powerhouses.

It's so much deeper then that

Educate me please. I'm genuinely curious. I'm originally from another country where sports is an afterthought for many and soccer is one of the least popular sports kids play/watch (behind basketball, baseball, badminton, dodgeball, etc.), so I don't understand why as popular as it seems among young kids, US soccer just doesn't develop the critical mass to become a global force.

Stop... Lopetegui called US and we turned him away because Jay’s brother was getting the job.

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Anonymous wrote:So they beat T&T 6-0 but then only win against Curaçao by 1 and everyone is already casting judgment 10 games into GB’s tenure.

Sigh.

How many games do you need to figure out that this coach just does not have it what it takes to coach at the international level? We were outplayed by Curacao for most of the game and even had to add a third CB to hold onto a win! What would it take for us to get a real coach? A lopsided loss to Tonga or American Samoa?

It takes more games than this.
You have to give a coach a chance to get his system/players into place, and give everything a chance to gel.
Yeah, they've sucked so far, but why not give him some time? You think there's a fantastic, established coach just waiting for a call from the US?

Why does it have to be an established coach?
Curacao seems to get good performances and nice possession play out of a weak roster...can we get their coach?

Curacao does not have a weak roster. I would argue that many of its players are better than are starting XI.

Look, men's soccer in the US is just weak. Even the best coach is going to be limited in what he can do.The issue is much deeper than coaching. Make access similar to that of football, baseball, track and basketball and you will see stronger players. Not everyone can have a Pulisic-like experience.

One of the only people in this thread with a clue ^^^^^^

Free youth leagues dont make susperstars or powerhouses.

It's so much deeper then that

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So they beat T&T 6-0 but then only win against Curaçao by 1 and everyone is already casting judgment 10 games into GB’s tenure.

Sigh.

How many games do you need to figure out that this coach just does not have it what it takes to coach at the international level? We were outplayed by Curacao for most of the game and even had to add a third CB to hold onto a win! What would it take for us to get a real coach? A lopsided loss to Tonga or American Samoa?

It takes more games than this.
You have to give a coach a chance to get his system/players into place, and give everything a chance to gel.
Yeah, they've sucked so far, but why not give him some time? You think there's a fantastic, established coach just waiting for a call from the US?

Why does it have to be an established coach?
Curacao seems to get good performances and nice possession play out of a weak roster...can we get their coach?

Curacao does not have a weak roster. I would argue that many of its players are better than are starting XI.

Look, men's soccer in the US is just weak. Even the best coach is going to be limited in what he can do.The issue is much deeper than coaching. Make access similar to that of football, baseball, track and basketball and you will see stronger players. Not everyone can have a Pulisic-like experience.

One of the only people in this thread with a clue ^^^^^^

But all that is meaningless if the coach thinks starting Zardes gives us the best possibility of success.

No kidding.
Reminds me of Coach Spurrier starting Danny Wuerffel for the Skins.
Just because he played well for one of your teams, doesn't mean he deserved to be on another.

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Anonymous wrote:The crowning jewel of the US Soccer Development Academy

Abso-fikin-lutely.

After 10 years of the DA program, the best we can manage is this? An utter and complete embarrassment and should cause (but won't) an examination of why our style of play is always so poor and how the DA is hurting, not helping the development in the USA.

The DA has lead to far more US players going overseas to play for better teams.
The fact that US coaching is so bad that it doesn't lead to better National teams isn't on the DA, it's on the coaching.

Really? Everything is the product of USSF.
The coaches
The players
The scouting
The pipeline (DA)
The training
Complete monopoly.

Own the failure.

I assure you, you would own it if it was a sucess.

Owning the failure is pointless if you whine about everything instead of looking at what works, what doesn't, and what needs to be improved.

The obvious truth is that that the US team has done far better in the past with a collection of players without the resume's that the current players have.
In simpler terms, the US players are much better in with their club teams than they are with the National team.

And while everything on your list can be improved, I'd say that the DA program is one of the few bright spots, and every year it's producing more players that are ready to go overseas and make an impact.

But all that is meaningless if the coach thinks starting Zardes gives us the best possibility of success.
So for me, coaching is the #1 problem with the US team, on all levels, and that's certainly something you can and should blame on the USSF.

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Anonymous wrote:The crowning jewel of the US Soccer Development Academy

Abso-fikin-lutely.

After 10 years of the DA program, the best we can manage is this? An utter and complete embarrassment and should cause (but won't) an examination of why our style of play is always so poor and how the DA is hurting, not helping the development in the USA.

The DA has lead to far more US players going overseas to play for better teams.
The fact that US coaching is so bad that it doesn't lead to better National teams isn't on the DA, it's on the coaching.

Really? Everything is the product of USSF.
The coaches
The players
The scouting
The pipeline (DA)
The training
Complete monopoly.

Own the failure.

I assure you, you would own it if it was a sucess.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crowning jewel of the US Soccer Development Academy

Abso-fikin-lutely.

After 10 years of the DA program, the best we can manage is this? An utter and complete embarrassment and should cause (but won't) an examination of why our style of play is always so poor and how the DA is hurting, not helping the development in the USA.

The DA has lead to far more US players going overseas to play for better teams.
The fact that US coaching is so bad that it doesn't lead to better National teams isn't on the DA, it's on the coaching.

Anonymous wrote:The crowning jewel of the US Soccer Development Academy

Abso-fikin-lutely.

After 10 years of the DA program, the best we can manage is this? An utter and complete embarrassment and should cause (but won't) an examination of why our style of play is always so poor and how the DA is hurting, not helping the development in the USA.