Anonymous wrote:I'd love for someone to explain to me how on earth these things are "green" or environmentally friendly. They're mass produced China crap, cheaply made, left everywhere like litter, and mostly used for fun. And driven around in big gas guzzling, illegally parked vans charging them.

People say they use them for the "last mile" - you know what's "green" - WALKING. Just walk that extra .7 mile. Sheesh.

Aside from the vans that transport them you failed to name one thing about the scooters themselves that are environmentally harmful.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd love for someone to explain to me how on earth these things are "green" or environmentally friendly. They're mass produced China crap, cheaply made, left everywhere like litter, and mostly used for fun. And driven around in big gas guzzling, illegally parked vans charging them.

People say they use them for the "last mile" - you know what's "green" - WALKING. Just walk that extra .7 mile. Sheesh.

Because they replace car trips.

Can you provide data on that? Do numbers reflect reduction in driving? Because there isn't anything that really points to this claim. They're for people goofing off or people who don't want to walk .7 miles anymore. They're WORSE for the environment.

Anonymous wrote:I'd love for someone to explain to me how on earth these things are "green" or environmentally friendly. They're mass produced China crap, cheaply made, left everywhere like litter, and mostly used for fun. And driven around in big gas guzzling, illegally parked vans charging them.

People say they use them for the "last mile" - you know what's "green" - WALKING. Just walk that extra .7 mile. Sheesh.

Because they replace car trips.

I'd love for someone to explain to me how on earth these things are "green" or environmentally friendly. They're mass produced China crap, cheaply made, left everywhere like litter, and mostly used for fun. And driven around in big gas guzzling, illegally parked vans charging them.

People say they use them for the "last mile" - you know what's "green" - WALKING. Just walk that extra .7 mile. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote: I’d like to see helmets and some way of regulating them in public areas, especially on the mall. It’s a real pain in the ass when toursists are trying to figure out how to use them and wobbling all over the place. Also I’ve seen a lot of people bite it in crosswalks. Falling over the handlebars

The buses don’t work, the bike lanes aren’t protected, drivers are distracted and lethal, the climate is boiling over, and we’re spending finite civic resources on the dangers that electric scooters pose to our community.

Buses work well. They are underutilized.

They don't work well - they're stuck in traffic with cars, there are only a few bus-only lanes and not much enforcement, and the buses stop running at night.

Want to argue about bike lanes next?

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Anonymous wrote: I’d like to see helmets and some way of regulating them in public areas, especially on the mall. It’s a real pain in the ass when toursists are trying to figure out how to use them and wobbling all over the place. Also I’ve seen a lot of people bite it in crosswalks. Falling over the handlebars

The buses don’t work, the bike lanes aren’t protected, drivers are distracted and lethal, the climate is boiling over, and we’re spending finite civic resources on the dangers that electric scooters pose to our community.

Buses work well. They are underutilized.

Anonymous wrote:I am all for scooters - in the street only! I was walking to metro from the office the other day.

Capital bikeshare has space allocated that already makes the sidewalk narrower. Pedestrians are walking in both directions. And a family on scooters thought they had right to the sidewalk. The lead scooter slowed down on the 2 behind crashed into each other. The pedestrian walking with walking stick should not be expected to step aside.

Capital Bikeshare docks should be in the street wherever possible. But people get upset about that, because it takes away parking spaces.

If you don't want scooters on the sidewalk, then you should advocate for more protected space in the roadway for non-car transportation.

Always impressed by people who argue that people in cars who died in car crashes shouldn't count as car deaths.

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Also, speed governors for motor vehicles already exist. Why not require them? The EU does.

My car, my choice.

How is this different from seat belts and airbags? Your car, your choice for that too?

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Anonymous wrote:Scooters should be mandated to have collision avoidance/automatic braking.

Cars, too. In fact, let's start with cars. And speed governors, while we're at it.

Scooters are replaced every three months (they don’t last long), and a city can probably strong arm a scooter rental company but not car manufacturers.

Different scope of problem.

Also, a scooter stopping suddenly on sidewalk or bike lane not likely an issue; a car stopping suddenly on freeway would be disaster. So cars require more mature logic, which isn’t there yet.

Number of people in the US killed by cars: 40,000 per year.

Number of people in the US killed by scooters: 0.

If you're worried about safety, start by regulating cars.

Also, speed governors for motor vehicles already exist. Why not require them? The EU does.

Number of people in the US killed by cars: 40,000 per year.
Do you know how many people were killed by cars in the first year of their use: Zero,
So what is your point? My point is .. give it time.. or better yet, don't give it time and prevent the unnecessary deaths now.
Furthermore, there is a major flow in the logic you present:
you failed to compare apples to apples.. you do understand that out of 40 K people you cited, are all car accidents death per year right?
Those are not deaths resulted from car / pedestrian collisions. There are tons of accidents that are result of two or more cars colliding, and or cars colliding with other objects. People who are in those collisions were ALL PROTECTED by the armor of the car, the metal body of it and yet as you kindly remind us, there is huge risk of death even if you are so wonderfully protected. So thank you for reminding us all that when we collide as a pedestrians with a metal machine moving at us with certain speed then we can meet the maker at E=mc2.

Number of people in the US killed by scooters: 0.
Where do you get your data and why do you distribute false information?

Check the below, and know that besides the death, scooter accidents carry other horrible consequences to unprotected riders those are just the worse cases and do not list ugly accident near you:

Boom in electric scooters leads to more injuries, fatalities
https://www.apnews.com/33f376b91e5945efbcbb2c460b1d0dcc

Electric scooters were to blame for at least 1,500 injuries and deaths in the US last year
https://www.businessinsider.com/minimum-of-1500-us-e-scooter-injuries-in-2018-2019-2

https://www.ranker.com/list/worst-electric-scooter-accidents-and-deaths/sarah-blumert

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/06/lime-scooter-death-auckland-councillor-christine-fletcher-lashes-out-calls-for-scooter-removal.html

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-ne-electric-scooters-legal-20190624-v2o5hd6omrfaxa3532x2sildve-story.html


If you're worried about safety, start by regulating cars.

Ah, yes, finally we agree on something. Let's first regulate cars safety by requiring all cars be equipped in collision preventing system and pedestrian detection and collision prevention auto stopping cars etc. .and THEN we can look if we want to bring scooters into our cities.
Bravo, well put. So first cars then. Because we can not and should not bring more problems upon existing problems, lets sort the first one out and then..

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Tech for cars not ready yet and huge cost for wide spread deployment.

Getting scooters mainstream should reduce cars on road, especially crazy Uber drivers.

Scooters are more risky than motorcycles at this point.

https://www.businessinsider.com/minimum-of-1500-us-e-scooter-injuries-in-2018-2019-2

I find the Austin death where Lime rider hit by Uber driver very 2019...

Speed governors are a thing that exist now. Vehicles use them now. The EU is requiring them as of 2022. We could do that too. And the number of lives saved would FAR outweigh the cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Scooters should be mandated to have collision avoidance/automatic braking.

Cars, too. In fact, let's start with cars. And speed governors, while we're at it.

Scooters are replaced every three months (they don’t last long), and a city can probably strong arm a scooter rental company but not car manufacturers.

Different scope of problem.

Also, a scooter stopping suddenly on sidewalk or bike lane not likely an issue; a car stopping suddenly on freeway would be disaster. So cars require more mature logic, which isn’t there yet.

Number of people in the US killed by cars: 40,000 per year.

Number of people in the US killed by scooters: 0.

If you're worried about safety, start by regulating cars.

Also, speed governors for motor vehicles already exist. Why not require them? The EU does.

Tech for cars not ready yet and huge cost for wide spread deployment.

Getting scooters mainstream should reduce cars on road, especially crazy Uber drivers.

Scooters are more risky than motorcycles at this point.

https://www.businessinsider.com/minimum-of-1500-us-e-scooter-injuries-in-2018-2019-2

I find the Austin death where Lime rider hit by Uber driver very 2019...

Also, speed governors for motor vehicles already exist. Why not require them? The EU does.

My car, my choice.

I am all for scooters - in the street only! I was walking to metro from the office the other day.

Capital bikeshare has space allocated that already makes the sidewalk narrower. Pedestrians are walking in both directions. And a family on scooters thought they had right to the sidewalk. The lead scooter slowed down on the 2 behind crashed into each other. The pedestrian walking with walking stick should not be expected to step aside.

Anonymous wrote: I’d like to see helmets and some way of regulating them in public areas, especially on the mall. It’s a real pain in the ass when toursists are trying to figure out how to use them and wobbling all over the place. Also I’ve seen a lot of people bite it in crosswalks. Falling over the handlebars

The buses don’t work, the bike lanes aren’t protected, drivers are distracted and lethal, the climate is boiling over, and we’re spending finite civic resources on the dangers that electric scooters pose to our community.