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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?

Yes but . . . if you run a 6.4 second 40, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

Same goes for overall fitness. If you're not fit, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

This is why pro, college, high school, etc. teams all have various forms of timed runs that measure these things.

And if you run a 6.4 second 40 it will show in game. But if you can always get to the ball first it doesn't really matter what your 40 time is. Situational awareness and anticipation can make up for mediocre 40 times.

Meathead combine dad doesn’t get it. He thinks the rest of us are saying speed isn’t important. As was posted just go get the sprinters off the track team if speed kills. Taking 3 steps in wrong direction because of low soccer iq cannot be made up with a great 40 time.

Examples of “slow” athletes at the elite level. Xavi, Figo, Rivaldo, Zidane and Pirlo. My guess is that you likely haven’t seen all of those play. But you would rather have a Lukaku or Yedlin.

As long as you admit that speed is important, then we are in agreement. There are basic physical attributes that one must possess in order to play. You must be fit. You must be athletic. You must be coordinated. You must have speed. Etc.

Those players you mention above were all more fit, more athletic, more coordinated and faster than the vast majority of men. They were just below-average in speed in relation to other professional soccer players.

Just a thought exercise: I have no idea how fast Zidane was at his peak, but let's assume he ran a 5.0 second 40-yard dash. Would he have been a better overall player if he instead ran a 4.4 second 40-yard dash, assuming he retained all his other skills and playing attributes?

OP for a real answer contact a strength and conditioning coach at a D1 school. Or an assistant coach at a D1 school. They will respond.

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Anonymous wrote:First cut in high school is based on speed. Speed only. Doesn't matter who's been on travel team. Skill doesn't matter. Lots of skilled players are trying out. There will be plenty to choose from. Above all, they better be extremely fast.

First cut is based on speed. It's timed.

And that is why HS is bad soccer in general.

Maybe. But it is fast.

So is a track meet and it is just as entertaining.

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Anonymous wrote:First cut in high school is based on speed. Speed only. Doesn't matter who's been on travel team. Skill doesn't matter. Lots of skilled players are trying out. There will be plenty to choose from. Above all, they better be extremely fast.

First cut is based on speed. It's timed.

And that is why HS is bad soccer in general.

Maybe. But it is fast.

Anonymous wrote:It is not really the 40 yard dash times.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2bb0/bdf11c9dae4600a31ae82011f93b0d359ff1.pdf

So in summary, starting players were similar to non-starters in the things that the combines measure. So that means there must be another reason, other than 40 times why the players are both selected and are also starters.

It is not really the 40 yard dash times.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2bb0/bdf11c9dae4600a31ae82011f93b0d359ff1.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?

Yes but . . . if you run a 6.4 second 40, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

Same goes for overall fitness. If you're not fit, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

This is why pro, college, high school, etc. teams all have various forms of timed runs that measure these things.

And if you run a 6.4 second 40 it will show in game. But if you can always get to the ball first it doesn't really matter what your 40 time is. Situational awareness and anticipation can make up for mediocre 40 times.

Meathead combine dad doesn’t get it. He thinks the rest of us are saying speed isn’t important. As was posted just go get the sprinters off the track team if speed kills. Taking 3 steps in wrong direction because of low soccer iq cannot be made up with a great 40 time.

Examples of “slow” athletes at the elite level. Xavi, Figo, Rivaldo, Zidane and Pirlo. My guess is that you likely haven’t seen all of those play. But you would rather have a Lukaku or Yedlin.

Anonymous wrote:First cut in high school is based on speed. Speed only. Doesn't matter who's been on travel team. Skill doesn't matter. Lots of skilled players are trying out. There will be plenty to choose from. Above all, they better be extremely fast.

First cut is based on speed. It's timed.

And that is why HS is bad soccer in general.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?

Yes but . . . if you run a 6.4 second 40, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

Same goes for overall fitness. If you're not fit, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

This is why pro, college, high school, etc. teams all have various forms of timed runs that measure these things.

But not for recruiting purposes.

First cut in high school is based on speed. Speed only. Doesn't matter who's been on travel team. Skill doesn't matter. Lots of skilled players are trying out. There will be plenty to choose from. Above all, they better be extremely fast.

First cut is based on speed. It's timed.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?

Yes but . . . if you run a 6.4 second 40, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

Same goes for overall fitness. If you're not fit, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

This is why pro, college, high school, etc. teams all have various forms of timed runs that measure these things.

And if you run a 6.4 second 40 it will show in game. But if you can always get to the ball first it doesn't really matter what your 40 time is. Situational awareness and anticipation can make up for mediocre 40 times.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?

Yes but . . . if you run a 6.4 second 40, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

Same goes for overall fitness. If you're not fit, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.

This is why pro, college, high school, etc. teams all have various forms of timed runs that measure these things.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?

Tier 1 athletes have both. Get it meathead? Speed must not run on your family.

You don't need a stop watch to tell if a player is a fast soccer player or not.

Yes, combines are done as form of fitness baseline but they are not used for player selection.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?

Tier 1 athletes have both. Get it meathead? Speed must not run on your family.

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Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.

This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.

Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.

Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe

Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.

98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.

But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?