I think this was the report I was thinking of:

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/Enriched%20and%20Accelerated%2028Jan2019%20FINAL.pdf

It says nothing about what scores were before the change in selection criteria, and I have no knowledge of what the scores were like under the prior selection criteria.

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Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

This is not a fringe theory. This is how it works. You can disagree with this strategy for selection but it's ridiculous to deny this is happening. They have released data on CES acceptances and shockingly some CES kids who get in have very low national percentile scores.

This is simply not true. If it was you could provide the data that shows this.

You people are impossible. Read the information MCPS puts out!

Provide a link to back up your allegations.

I have seen the report but can't find it right now. The thing is, they show the scores but not individually by child. So there are some admitted students with low MAP scores, for example. But you can't tell if that particular student who had low MAP score had a really high CoGAT score. You can't tell if the students with low CoGAT scores had high MAP scores. From the numbers they provide, you can see that some small number of admitted students had CoGAT scores below the 80th percentile nationwide. But you can't tell if those students also had low MAP scores or if those students had 99% MAPs and something weird going on with the CoGAT. Or vice versa. At least, that was true of the data I saw that I can't find right now.

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Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

This is not a fringe theory. This is how it works. You can disagree with this strategy for selection but it's ridiculous to deny this is happening. They have released data on CES acceptances and shockingly some CES kids who get in have very low national percentile scores.

This is simply not true. If it was you could provide the data that shows this.

You people are impossible. Read the information MCPS puts out!

Provide a link to back up your allegations.

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Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

This is not a fringe theory. This is how it works. You can disagree with this strategy for selection but it's ridiculous to deny this is happening. They have released data on CES acceptances and shockingly some CES kids who get in have very low national percentile scores.

This is simply not true. If it was you could provide the data that shows this.

You people are impossible. Read the information MCPS puts out!

To answer your question about is it like AAP: no. There are no "levels." Your child either gets the accelerated program, or they don't. There is a math option to take 4th/half of 5th in 4th and the rest of 5th/6th in 5th, but that is not CES. This is frustrating because if your child warrants enrichment but is not selected, there is no middle ground or partial services for them.

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Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

This is not a fringe theory. This is how it works. You can disagree with this strategy for selection but it's ridiculous to deny this is happening. They have released data on CES acceptances and shockingly some CES kids who get in have very low national percentile scores.

This is simply not true. If it was you could provide the data that shows this.

Anonymous wrote:A thread earlier this spring had some detailed discussion about the effects flowing from the full separation of CES and regular students at CCES. Nothing is simple these days.

It's not full separation. They have recess and lunch together. Some kids don't want to mix but there are kids who have friends who are at the CES and not at the CES.

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Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

This is not a fringe theory. This is how it works. You can disagree with this strategy for selection but it's ridiculous to deny this is happening. They have released data on CES acceptances and shockingly some CES kids who get in have very low national percentile scores.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here--thanks, yes, we were looking at stuff in the CCES boundary so that is helpful to know--if DC gets in they get in, if not, that's still their local school, so no need to travel far either way. Thanks!

If travel is a concern of yours, you should know that the kids in-bounds for CCES go to Rosemary Hills for K-2 so they do take the bus for those years.

Yes, but travel to a CES is much longer than travel to your local inbounds school. CES can take 90 minutes because of the meandering path they take to pick up kids, but local school is usually 15-30 mins.

Our CES is also our local school. The bus ride is less than a mile but often takes 30-40 minutes.

Wow, where are you? I thought leas than a mile was the “walker” range and you wouldn’t even get the option of bus service. We live .8 miles from our school and there is no bus specifically for our neighborhood, though we can walk 2 blocks to the next neighborhood over and catch a bus.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here--thanks, yes, we were looking at stuff in the CCES boundary so that is helpful to know--if DC gets in they get in, if not, that's still their local school, so no need to travel far either way. Thanks!

If travel is a concern of yours, you should know that the kids in-bounds for CCES go to Rosemary Hills for K-2 so they do take the bus for those years.

Yes, but travel to a CES is much longer than travel to your local inbounds school. CES can take 90 minutes because of the meandering path they take to pick up kids, but local school is usually 15-30 mins.

Our CES is also our local school. The bus ride is less than a mile but often takes 30-40 minutes.

I should've mentioned we often walk since it's a lot faster than the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here--thanks, yes, we were looking at stuff in the CCES boundary so that is helpful to know--if DC gets in they get in, if not, that's still their local school, so no need to travel far either way. Thanks!

If travel is a concern of yours, you should know that the kids in-bounds for CCES go to Rosemary Hills for K-2 so they do take the bus for those years.

Yes, but travel to a CES is much longer than travel to your local inbounds school. CES can take 90 minutes because of the meandering path they take to pick up kids, but local school is usually 15-30 mins.

Our CES is also our local school. The bus ride is less than a mile but often takes 30-40 minutes.

My friend's kid rides over 1.5 hours each way for his CES. Now that is dedication. I can't blame OP for wanting to find a school that is closer than that if she thinks her kids might go the CES route.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here--thanks, yes, we were looking at stuff in the CCES boundary so that is helpful to know--if DC gets in they get in, if not, that's still their local school, so no need to travel far either way. Thanks!

If travel is a concern of yours, you should know that the kids in-bounds for CCES go to Rosemary Hills for K-2 so they do take the bus for those years.

Yes, but travel to a CES is much longer than travel to your local inbounds school. CES can take 90 minutes because of the meandering path they take to pick up kids, but local school is usually 15-30 mins.

Our CES is also our local school. The bus ride is less than a mile but often takes 30-40 minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here--thanks, yes, we were looking at stuff in the CCES boundary so that is helpful to know--if DC gets in they get in, if not, that's still their local school, so no need to travel far either way. Thanks!

If travel is a concern of yours, you should know that the kids in-bounds for CCES go to Rosemary Hills for K-2 so they do take the bus for those years.

Yes, but travel to a CES is much longer than travel to your local inbounds school. CES can take 90 minutes because of the meandering path they take to pick up kids, but local school is usually 15-30 mins.

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Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.

Even if you were to buy this sob story excuses about admissions, the reality is the schools that make up 90% of the CES groups are homogeneous so there's little variance within the cohorts. However, when there is a variance within the groupings many parents believe that some schools are much better than others and are often willing to pay hundreds of thousands more so their kids can attend the better school so it seems to me the cohort changes merely offset this difference which seems fair.

Anonymous wrote:CES no longer takes the top 2-3%. They take the kids who don't have a high scoring cohort at their home school. That means some 99% kids stay at their home school while some 92% kids at a different school get the CES invite. There are many threads discussing this, here just trying to get correct current info to OP.

There's no evidence to support this fringe theory. It is mostly embraced by people who resent changes like universal screening because it grew the application pool and made admission much more difficult.