Anonymous
05/17/2019 17:27
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are kids who can comprehend lord of the rings at age 4 so reading Harry Potter at age 8 seems reasonable for gifted kids.
There are kids who can read the words at 4, very few kids, but comprehend? Doubtful. There are kids who can complete calculus problems at 4 but do they understand the concepts? Huge difference between sounding out the words and comprehension.
Yes. Comprehend. They exist. However there are only a few. Just like there are a few kids who will understand the concepts behind the Pythagorean theorem and completing the square at age 4.
Where do they exist? Certainly not among the parents I was talking about who claim their kid can read Harry Potter in grades K-2.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 15:02
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
I read with DD (9) on a routine basis. For the most part, what we each get out of the reading material, is different. She absolutely understands the arc of the story, the character development, etc., but doesn't really quite get the nuances the same way I do. It would be interesting to have her re-read the material in another year or two, to see if her takeaway changes much at all.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 14:40
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are kids who can comprehend lord of the rings at age 4 so reading Harry Potter at age 8 seems reasonable for gifted kids.
There are kids who can read the words at 4, very few kids, but comprehend? Doubtful. There are kids who can complete calculus problems at 4 but do they understand the concepts? Huge difference between sounding out the words and comprehension.
Yes. Comprehend. They exist. However there are only a few. Just like there are a few kids who will understand the concepts behind the Pythagorean theorem and completing the square at age 4.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 14:34
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:There are kids who can comprehend lord of the rings at age 4 so reading Harry Potter at age 8 seems reasonable for gifted kids.
There are kids who can read the words at 4, very few kids, but comprehend? Doubtful. There are kids who can complete calculus problems at 4 but do they understand the concepts? Huge difference between sounding out the words and comprehension.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 14:29
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:There are kids who can comprehend lord of the rings at age 4 so reading Harry Potter at age 8 seems reasonable for gifted kids.
Yeah, I somehow seriously doubt this. This kind of outlier is extremely rare.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 10:59
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
There are kids who can comprehend lord of the rings at age 4 so reading Harry Potter at age 8 seems reasonable for gifted kids.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 10:24
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
When my oldest was 7 he decided to start reading Harry Potter. He finished the series about 6-months later. He was totally capable of reading it but it seemed like a slog. I had to wonder if he'd have enjoyed it more if he had waited until he was older. Around his 8th birthday, he was reading at S which is around level 40 I think. He's currently at X which is 60 and a few months shy of 9. We don't have anything like AAP so it's just regular public here.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 10:19
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1. It bugs me to no end when parents brag about their kids reading Harry Potter in K-2. It doesn’t mean anything. And frankly, it’s not appropriate in my opinion it read those books so young.
Preach! I am a reading teacher and I completely agree.
Totally agree. I confess, my kid read it in 2nd. Why? It was the "thing" to do in her second grade class. I'm sure it was started by some parent who really wanted her kid to read it early. So all the kids read it or least said they did, and so much went over their heads. Whoosh. Then they all re-read it again in 4th-5th and they got it at a whole new level and loved it. Should never have bothered with the early reading.
+1
I just read Harry Potter to my 2nd grader, because it actually held his interest. I can't get him interested in reading, generally, so this was an improvement. Granted, I read it to him and it was a little too difficult for him to read on his own.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 08:52
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DS is a 2nd grader going into AAP next year. We haven't seen DRA test results since K but he's currently reading the 3rd Harry Potter. His absolutely favorites are the I Survived... books
Not sure if that can be extrapolated to DRA level.
FWIW I didn't encourage him to read Harry Potter and would have been fine with him waiting for a couple years but he found them on Amazon Freetime on his kindle.
The books kids read tell something about reading ability, but they usually far exceed DRA because when you read for pleasure you might skim over words you don't know, not realize you're not getting the sub-text, sub-plots, gist etc. and still find enjoyable parts of the story. The DRA is a rigorous measure of fluency and comprehension and kids usually perform far lower on it than you would estimate based on their reading interests. This sometimes leads people to think the scores are "wrong" but they are just careful in assessment (though that doesn't mean that some kids don't engage in the test fully or have something blocking the expression of their true reading ability for instance, ADD is an issue for skipping words/blurting out first thoughts and given that it's oral, speech delays and auditory processing can impact also.
+1. It bugs me to no end when parents brag about their kids reading Harry Potter in K-2. It doesn’t mean anything. And frankly, it’s not appropriate in my opinion it read those books so young.
I was the PP. I actually felt the exact same way when DS was in K. He found HP himself a few months ago - maybe because his buddies were reading it. Wasn't meant to be a brag, just a proxy for reading level since I haven't seen DRA scores.
Anonymous
05/17/2019 07:20
Subject: Re:Reading Level @ start of AAP
I commented in a similar topic that my DS was reading Magic Treehouse at the beginning of first grade so I didn't understand why his teacher would say he was at grade level. The response was because he could not demonstrate that he understood what he was reading. I took that to heart and started asking him if he understood certain words and sentences. It turned out he didn't. So we started trying to help him understand how to figure out what a word means using context. He is much better about asking what a word means and why it is important. I have no idea where his level is at now, he is finishing first grade. His reading is much more smooth, he sounds out words far better then he used to, and he is picking up books to read on his own. More importantly, he is asking for help understanding what he has read.
Anonymous
05/16/2019 22:35
Subject: Re:Reading Level @ start of AAP
30 at the end of 2nd this year. He has autism and not sure he was interested in whatever they had him read so that could have impacted his performance.
Anonymous
05/16/2019 16:28
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1. It bugs me to no end when parents brag about their kids reading Harry Potter in K-2. It doesn’t mean anything. And frankly, it’s not appropriate in my opinion it read those books so young.
Preach! I am a reading teacher and I completely agree.
But I read it somewhere that if a kid does not understand a HP book (or any book that is way too advanced for his/her age), he/she will not continues reading the whole book not even mention the whole series. Showing interested in these books at such a young age some what shows a kid's advanced reading ability. A kid who is not a good reader will not even try to read these books - wouldn't you agree on that?
One can be a good reader and be able to ‘read’ it but not be able to understand HP (or a higher level book) and you can be a poor reader and understand HP (or other higher level book) if one ear reads then as an audio book. Decoding/phoneme awareness are different from comprehension. All play a role in reading levels as well as other things like vocabulary and background knowledge.
Anonymous
05/16/2019 16:16
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1. It bugs me to no end when parents brag about their kids reading Harry Potter in K-2. It doesn’t mean anything. And frankly, it’s not appropriate in my opinion it read those books so young.
Preach! I am a reading teacher and I completely agree.
But I read it somewhere that if a kid does not understand a HP book (or any book that is way too advanced for his/her age), he/she will not continues reading the whole book not even mention the whole series. Showing interested in these books at such a young age some what shows a kid's advanced reading ability. A kid who is not a good reader will not even try to read these books - wouldn't you agree on that?
Anonymous
05/16/2019 15:59
Subject: Reading Level @ start of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1. It bugs me to no end when parents brag about their kids reading Harry Potter in K-2. It doesn’t mean anything. And frankly, it’s not appropriate in my opinion it read those books so young.
Preach! I am a reading teacher and I completely agree.
Totally agree. I confess, my kid read it in 2nd. Why? It was the "thing" to do in her second grade class. I'm sure it was started by some parent who really wanted her kid to read it early. So all the kids read it or least said they did, and so much went over their heads. Whoosh. Then they all re-read it again in 4th-5th and they got it at a whole new level and loved it. Should never have bothered with the early reading.
+1
Anonymous
05/16/2019 15:03
Subject: Re:Reading Level @ start of AAP
And my kid dislikes HP and never read it at any level. Percy Jackson though..,