Anonymous
05/15/2019 14:44
Subject: Re:Are minorities accepted
I don't see how you can say that it is huge. What this data shows is that the average black student at Harvard has scores that are in the 95th percentile or higher of all test takers (a 1400 is at the 95 percentile and this data would say that the average is 1408). Certainly that indicates that those students are strong test takers against most high school students. And of course a substantial number of the black students are higher than that. So there are a few kids who are otherwise strong applicants who get in with slightly strong test scores than other applicants, but it is not like those kids are getting in with actually low test scores.
Anonymous
05/15/2019 13:53
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how all of these schools are just FULL of students of color and no white people, right?
Students of color face certain barriers in and out of the classroom, even those coming from privilege. White people often want to comfort themselves by pointing to SAT scores in this argument, but we all know quite well that admissions decisions aren't about test scores, but about the whole package.
The data points laid bare for Harvard are a little overblown in my mind. I think the difference for black students was something like 60 SAT points? How that one data point becomes a blanket indicted of all URMs is what is sad.
Here is the actual breakdown, and the data is not even from the last five years and is JUST for Harvard:
Average SAT score across all sections (1995-2013)
Asians - 767
White - 745
Hispanic - 718
Native Americans - 712
African Americans - 704
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/
What is frustrating to me as an African American person with a kid at an Ivy is why aren't people asking why this disparity exists and dealing with it. I can tell you from my recent experience that the cohort of black students are not all poor, under-resourced students. Many come from two-parent households with decent incomes and the whole nine-yards of support you would expect from high-achieving students. Why aren't we asking more sophisticated questions instead of reducing students down to a single data-point?
Also too the numbers of URM students, especially black students is pretty small. I don't understand how a single test score make you unworthy of attending these schools. My kid is excelling in college and had admission test scores in the middle 50%.
60 x 2 is 120 points. That is substantial
It's HUGE.
Anonymous
05/15/2019 13:49
Subject: Re:Are minorities accepted
The Princeton Study also showed that Asians and whites have to do better than other groups in order to secure admission
http://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf
http://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf
Anonymous
05/15/2019 13:42
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how all of these schools are just FULL of students of color and no white people, right?
Students of color face certain barriers in and out of the classroom, even those coming from privilege. White people often want to comfort themselves by pointing to SAT scores in this argument, but we all know quite well that admissions decisions aren't about test scores, but about the whole package.
The data points laid bare for Harvard are a little overblown in my mind. I think the difference for black students was something like 60 SAT points? How that one data point becomes a blanket indicted of all URMs is what is sad.
Here is the actual breakdown, and the data is not even from the last five years and is JUST for Harvard:
Average SAT score across all sections (1995-2013)
Asians - 767
White - 745
Hispanic - 718
Native Americans - 712
African Americans - 704
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/
What is frustrating to me as an African American person with a kid at an Ivy is why aren't people asking why this disparity exists and dealing with it. I can tell you from my recent experience that the cohort of black students are not all poor, under-resourced students. Many come from two-parent households with decent incomes and the whole nine-yards of support you would expect from high-achieving students. Why aren't we asking more sophisticated questions instead of reducing students down to a single data-point?
Also too the numbers of URM students, especially black students is pretty small. I don't understand how a single test score make you unworthy of attending these schools. My kid is excelling in college and had admission test scores in the middle 50%.
60 x 2 is 120 points. That is substantial
Anonymous
05/15/2019 12:48
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how all of these schools are just FULL of students of color and no white people, right?
Students of color face certain barriers in and out of the classroom, even those coming from privilege. White people often want to comfort themselves by pointing to SAT scores in this argument, but we all know quite well that admissions decisions aren't about test scores, but about the whole package.
The data points laid bare for Harvard are a little overblown in my mind. I think the difference for black students was something like 60 SAT points? How that one data point becomes a blanket indicted of all URMs is what is sad.
Here is the actual breakdown, and the data is not even from the last five years and is JUST for Harvard:
Average SAT score across all sections (1995-2013)
Asians - 767
White - 745
Hispanic - 718
Native Americans - 712
African Americans - 704
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/
What is frustrating to me as an African American person with a kid at an Ivy is why aren't people asking why this disparity exists and dealing with it. I can tell you from my recent experience that the cohort of black students are not all poor, under-resourced students. Many come from two-parent households with decent incomes and the whole nine-yards of support you would expect from high-achieving students. Why aren't we asking more sophisticated questions instead of reducing students down to a single data-point?
Also too the numbers of URM students, especially black students is pretty small. I don't understand how a single test score make you unworthy of attending these schools. My kid is excelling in college and had admission test scores in the middle 50%.
Anonymous
05/15/2019 12:41
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:into colleges more easily than non-minorities? I thought that was a myth.
My high school age child is black and Hispanic, do colleges cut some slack if your GPA and SATs are ok but not great.
Serious question. Thanks.
De donde sois?
Cuentanos un poco la historia de vuestro hijo o hija, y quiza podemos ayudar.
Thanks for the opinions and feedback, I'm the OP. We are not low income although we are minorities (our parents were though!) I doubt we will even qualify for financial aid. I don't even care if he goes to a top school, I just want him to go to a college, study something and enjoy his college years. Unfortunately he has a disability so school is hard for him I'm hopeful he can get into a state college or any college and him being a minority didn't really cross my mind as being helpful, his counselor is only interested in the high flyers at the school.
I’ve taught many students similar to your son. A great route is 2 years in a solid CC like NOVA or MC and then transfer to a state school. My brother (dyslexic and ADHD) graduated from UMD this way. Of course, he endured “You’re short for a basketball player.” And “You only got in here because you’re black.” However, these are ignorant people in every sense of the word. Transfer from MC to UMD with an associate’s degree and B average is available to everyone regardless of race/ethnicity. People see what they want to see.
Anonymous
05/15/2019 12:34
Subject: Are minorities accepted
It's amazing how all of these schools are just FULL of students of color and no white people, right?
Students of color face certain barriers in and out of the classroom, even those coming from privilege. White people often want to comfort themselves by pointing to SAT scores in this argument, but we all know quite well that admissions decisions aren't about test scores, but about the whole package.
Students of color face certain barriers in and out of the classroom, even those coming from privilege. White people often want to comfort themselves by pointing to SAT scores in this argument, but we all know quite well that admissions decisions aren't about test scores, but about the whole package.
Anonymous
05/14/2019 22:37
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:into colleges more easily than non-minorities? I thought that was a myth.
My high school age child is black and Hispanic, do colleges cut some slack if your GPA and SATs are ok but not great.
Serious question. Thanks.
De donde sois?
Cuentanos un poco la historia de vuestro hijo o hija, y quiza podemos ayudar.
Thanks for the opinions and feedback, I'm the OP. We are not low income although we are minorities (our parents were though!) I doubt we will even qualify for financial aid. I don't even care if he goes to a top school, I just want him to go to a college, study something and enjoy his college years. Unfortunately he has a disability so school is hard for him I'm hopeful he can get into a state college or any college and him being a minority didn't really cross my mind as being helpful, his counselor is only interested in the high flyers at the school.
Oye, decis que sois hispanos.
Por que no respondes en nuestro idioma?
Por que estamos en EEUU y quiero que todos participan y entienden. Do you have any insight or just want to practicar tu espanol?
Anonymous
05/14/2019 22:14
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:into colleges more easily than non-minorities? I thought that was a myth.
My high school age child is black and Hispanic, do colleges cut some slack if your GPA and SATs are ok but not great.
Serious question. Thanks.
De donde sois?
Cuentanos un poco la historia de vuestro hijo o hija, y quiza podemos ayudar.
Thanks for the opinions and feedback, I'm the OP. We are not low income although we are minorities (our parents were though!) I doubt we will even qualify for financial aid. I don't even care if he goes to a top school, I just want him to go to a college, study something and enjoy his college years. Unfortunately he has a disability so school is hard for him I'm hopeful he can get into a state college or any college and him being a minority didn't really cross my mind as being helpful, his counselor is only interested in the high flyers at the school.
Oye, decis que sois hispanos.
Por que no respondes en nuestro idioma?
Anonymous
05/14/2019 22:10
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:into colleges more easily than non-minorities? I thought that was a myth.
My high school age child is black and Hispanic, do colleges cut some slack if your GPA and SATs are ok but not great.
Serious question. Thanks.
De donde sois?
Cuentanos un poco la historia de vuestro hijo o hija, y quiza podemos ayudar.
Thanks for the opinions and feedback, I'm the OP. We are not low income although we are minorities (our parents were though!) I doubt we will even qualify for financial aid. I don't even care if he goes to a top school, I just want him to go to a college, study something and enjoy his college years. Unfortunately he has a disability so school is hard for him I'm hopeful he can get into a state college or any college and him being a minority didn't really cross my mind as being helpful, his counselor is only interested in the high flyers at the school.
Anonymous
05/14/2019 21:10
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is largely a myth. And depends on what college.
More relevant question: Is your child attending an under-resourced high school with a high poverty rate? Doing relatively well despite that disadvantage? Will they be the generation to go to college in your family?
A student with somewhat lower standardized test score but strong grades, outstanding rec letters may still be admitted at some more selective colleges.
Except that it's not. The fact is that you are at a disadvantage if you are Asian, and you have a clear advantage if you are Black or Hispanic.
Repeating something untrue won’t make it true.
You are not familiar with the data produced in the Harvard lawsuit? There are loads of news articles.
There’s a lot of claims, but nothing definitive.
Hahahahahahahaha
Anonymous
05/14/2019 21:09
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is largely a myth. And depends on what college.
More relevant question: Is your child attending an under-resourced high school with a high poverty rate? Doing relatively well despite that disadvantage? Will they be the generation to go to college in your family?
A student with somewhat lower standardized test score but strong grades, outstanding rec letters may still be admitted at some more selective colleges.
Except that it's not. The fact is that you are at a disadvantage if you are Asian, and you have a clear advantage if you are Black or Hispanic.
Repeating something untrue won’t make it true.
It's astonishing to me that with all the data that's out there on this that people still think this is untrue. Simply astonishing.
+1 . The harvard lawsuit data laid bare the advantages that URMs have in admissions. But people still don't want to deny the facts.......sad.
Anonymous
05/14/2019 20:57
Subject: Re:Are minorities accepted
Anonymous
05/14/2019 20:56
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:into colleges more easily than non-minorities? I thought that was a myth.
My high school age child is black and Hispanic, do colleges cut some slack if your GPA and SATs are ok but not great.
Serious question. Thanks.
Being a URM (underrepresented minority) is a hook. That doesn't necessarily mean it will make up for very weak academic stats. However, if the stats are at least inside the middle 50 percentiles for the college (this data is published on the college's website), it can help within the context of holistic admission. If by "ok" you mean the stats are in the middle of the enrolled class or at least over the 25th percentile for the college, URM increases chances. How much is unclear. I would still plan reaches, matches, and safeties as if the student did not have the hook, by comparing the student's stats to the published stats for the college and considering acceptance rate.
Anonymous
05/14/2019 20:53
Subject: Are minorities accepted
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is largely a myth. And depends on what college.
More relevant question: Is your child attending an under-resourced high school with a high poverty rate? Doing relatively well despite that disadvantage? Will they be the generation to go to college in your family?
A student with somewhat lower standardized test score but strong grades, outstanding rec letters may still be admitted at some more selective colleges.
Except that it's not. The fact is that you are at a disadvantage if you are Asian, and you have a clear advantage if you are Black or Hispanic.
Repeating something untrue won’t make it true.
You are not familiar with the data produced in the Harvard lawsuit? There are loads of news articles.
There’s a lot of claims, but nothing definitive.