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Anonymous wrote:It's ironic for China to call for mutual trust and respect when they are guilty of intellectual property thefts, forced technology transfers, and anti-competitive behaviors that block foreign goods/services from being competitive in the Chinese market. Tell me, can you hail an Uber in China?

Mutual trust and respect my @ss. What they want is for the US to go back being complacent like we were under Obama, to stay quiet while being bent over a barrel by China.

Well, okay. But you're only right if this works. If it stops China from stealing our IP, undercutting us globally, etc.

It has brought them to the table, hasn't it? Why any American would be against Trump making this effort to fight back against China is a mystery. If you can read Chinese, their discussion forums are a mixture of defiance and worry that the US has finally come to its senses and will substantially reduce the amount of free-loading that China has been able to get away with in the past.

Everyone plays Trump and the conman plays Americans for stupid, this is his REALITY TV. Coming to the table is just a time wasting tactic that everyone is deploying. NK came to the table and nothing happened. Canada and MX came to the table and NOTHING HAPPENED. China came to the table and nothing happened. But the conman has passed a tax cuts for the rich. YAY!

Really? We don't have a new NAFTA 2.0?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm stunned by how ignorant most Americans (and Trump supporters) are about how tariffs work. Trump lies blatantly and announces that the Chinese will pay for the tariffs our government imposes on Chinese imported goods. The public believes this lie. Don't schools teach basic history and commerce to kids anymore? It's frightening how stupid we've become.

Forget about most Americans, Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work. Larry Kudlow had to contradict him yesterday and note that both sides are going to suffer in this trade war.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/05/12/larry-kudlow-trump-china-trade-sot-vpx-nr.cnn

Please see 13:24. Now we know the absolute truth.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ironic for China to call for mutual trust and respect when they are guilty of intellectual property thefts, forced technology transfers, and anti-competitive behaviors that block foreign goods/services from being competitive in the Chinese market. Tell me, can you hail an Uber in China?

Mutual trust and respect my @ss. What they want is for the US to go back being complacent like we were under Obama, to stay quiet while being bent over a barrel by China.

Well, okay. But you're only right if this works. If it stops China from stealing our IP, undercutting us globally, etc.

It has brought them to the table, hasn't it? Why any American would be against Trump making this effort to fight back against China is a mystery. If you can read Chinese, their discussion forums are a mixture of defiance and worry that the US has finally come to its senses and will substantially reduce the amount of free-loading that China has been able to get away with in the past.

We haven't come to our senses. There is no will in this country to fight a trade war with China, and we cannot afford it. This will collapse soon enough and we will only have hurt ourselves.

So your suggestion is, what, give up and let China continue to steal from us with no repercussion? Better yet, lets fly over some pallets of money as ?? so that they have mercy on us.

This isn't about challenging China on trade reform it's about the ineffectiveness of preening agro public rhetoric. No way out unless our illustrious president gets muzzled.

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Anonymous wrote:It's ironic for China to call for mutual trust and respect when they are guilty of intellectual property thefts, forced technology transfers, and anti-competitive behaviors that block foreign goods/services from being competitive in the Chinese market. Tell me, can you hail an Uber in China?

Mutual trust and respect my @ss. What they want is for the US to go back being complacent like we were under Obama, to stay quiet while being bent over a barrel by China.

The US designed the modern economic system that benefits us after the WW2. We are 5% of world population but we enjoy a disproportionate 25% of world wealth. China and India with 1/3 world population were the largest economies in the world until early 19th century. Why do you think their economies collapsed? They simply couldn't compete against free slave labor and stolen Native American resources extorted for the cost of a few bullets.

Today China and India are just reclaiming their historical position as the top economies of the world. Firs t rule of Capitalism: Those with large internal market of their own will control the world economy. That is what is happening and this time no temporary distortion such as slave labor and stolen resources from a new found land.

America (and the west) are crying fowl only because China is beating them at the game they created for their own benefit. The power has shifted to Asia and the world has come a full circle. We can no longer dictate to China(or to India or Russia) and we need to compete and not complain. We need access to the Asian market because China is largest market for GM, Boeing, etc. India is largest market for the likes of google, FB, P&G etc. Millions of jobs will be lost in America if we lose access to their markets. That is the reality no American wants to talk about.

The solution is to create a large internal market for American goods by creating TPP like exclusive zone. But thats what the conman killed. He is just a loser who is creating a public REALITY SHOW OF him acting as if he is doing good for America. But the truth is he hasn't done a single thing he promised except for tax cuts for the rich.

NAFTA is still the law. Dreamers are still here. There is no wall. The trade deficits with china is at historic high. Coal/Steel jobs aren't back. North korea is still flying missiles. BUT THE RICH GOT THEIR TAX CUTS. Trumpsters are conned.

What a dumb-@ss post. I am going to leave aside India because I am not familiar with their history, culture, politics, and economic system. I am, however, familiar with Chinese history, culture, politics, and economic system. China's economic collapse at the end of the 19th century was because it remained an insular country throughout the Qing dynasty. It believed that it was the economic/cultural/political power center of the whole world and that it didn't need to worry about what lies beyond. The rulers believed they had a mandate from heaven to rule. China was simply not participating in the important period of industrial revolution. Remember that slavery was abolished in Europe in the early 1800s, and in US in the mid 1800s. Between that and the start of WWI, China simply languished and became ever more in debt to western countries. Globalization trends significantly amplified the ability for a country to advance its economy, and WWII serves as somewhat of a dividing point for the world, both in terms of before and after, and also between the divergent paths of capitalism and communism. For the countries that went with capitalism, they flourished, and this included Asian countries like Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea. For the countries that chose communism, and this included western countries like Hungary, Poland, and Romania, their economies collapsed. The post-WWII economic hardship that China went through in comparison to the prosperity of the US is not because the US had slave labor, but because communism/socialism is crap.

China is indeed growing strong again, because it has slowly abandoned aspects of communism/socialism and adopted capitalism and other free market mechanisms. It is *because* China has become more like the US that it is now growing stronger, not because China is doing something of its own invention.

I also find it incredibly ignorant when people raise the suggestion that the US is somehow afraid of a powerful China, that it can then no longer dictate to China. Tell me, is the US afraid of a powerful Canada, or a powerful Japan? Was the US afraid of the formation of the EU? So long as a country trades fairly, the US doesn't really give a damn. Having a prosperous China that trades fairly and openly with the rest of the world is to *EVERYONE's* benefit, it's what the US wants to see. The US has shown time and time again that it is an incredibly generous and friendly country.

China is not beating America at our own game, because they are not playing the same game - they are cheating, and that's the point. So long as they continue to cheat, the US and EU nations will continue to pressure China to change their behavior. The US and the EU wants cooperative allies, not thieves and back stabbers.

Anonymous wrote:I'm stunned by how ignorant most Americans (and Trump supporters) are about how tariffs work. Trump lies blatantly and announces that the Chinese will pay for the tariffs our government imposes on Chinese imported goods. The public believes this lie. Don't schools teach basic history and commerce to kids anymore? It's frightening how stupid we've become.

Forget about most Americans, Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work. Larry Kudlow had to contradict him yesterday and note that both sides are going to suffer in this trade war.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/05/12/larry-kudlow-trump-china-trade-sot-vpx-nr.cnn

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Does anyone here really delight in enriching the Communist Chinese Government?

I certainly don’t.

But do you delight in bankrupting our country?

I certainly don't.

+1 There are going to be a lot of suffering farmers and factory workers soon. Free trade has been a principle of our country for a long time. It's going to be painful to go backwards.

Anonymous wrote:I am no Trump fan, but trade war with China is needed!

---a former Chinese citizen and a current US citizen

+ 1,000,000 - Thank you for posting.

You clearly have more insight than any other poster on this site.

Reducing the enrichment of the Communist Chinese government should be paramount.

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Anonymous wrote:
Does anyone here really delight in enriching the Communist Chinese Government?

I certainly don’t.

But do you delight in bankrupting our country?

I certainly don't.

Funny how just today GoPro announced it’s moving its production from China to Mexico. So much winning - all around! (Except for the Chinese Communists — and the hateful Liberals.

13:06, please respond.

Yeah, this doesn't help our country or our debt. It might help Mexico.

Do you know how we won the Cold War? It wasn't by bankrupting ourselves.

I guess we've seen the limit of the maximum a-hole strategy.

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Anonymous wrote:Its about time we as a country dont cave, like presidents from both side of the aisle did over the past.

+1.

I do hope they reach an agreement soon, but this is better than just caving in once more.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:
Does anyone here really delight in enriching the Communist Chinese Government?

I certainly don’t.

But do you delight in bankrupting our country?

I certainly don't.

Funny how just today GoPro announced it’s moving its production from China to Mexico. So much winning - all around! (Except for the Chinese Communists — and the hateful Liberals.

13:06, please respond.

Anonymous wrote:Its about time we as a country dont cave, like presidents from both side of the aisle did over the past.

+1.

I do hope they reach an agreement soon, but this is better than just caving in once more.

I'm stunned by how ignorant most Americans (and Trump supporters) are about how tariffs work. Trump lies blatantly and announces that the Chinese will pay for the tariffs our government imposes on Chinese imported goods. The public believes this lie. Don't schools teach basic history and commerce to kids anymore? It's frightening how stupid we've become.