I believe it and believe mass shootings are contagious. Besides the obvious solutions - harsher punishments for domestic violence (#1 reason behind mass shootings) I also think we need to stop all media portrayals of shootings and suicides. Not the discussion, just media.

Vox just published a good article about the study

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/3/18522559/13-reasons-why-netflix-youth-suicide-rate

"...it would be consistent with the current best theory on suicide ideation for 13 Reasons Why to lead to increased suicides among young people watching the show."

"We know from past research that adolescents are particularly vulnerable to depictions of suicide in the media. Past research also suggests that a substantial proportion of parents of suicidal adolescents are unlikely to know that their children have been thinking about suicide," says Miranda. "If you combine this with unsupervised viewing of a show depicting a suicide death, there is potential for harm among suicidal teenagers."

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Anonymous wrote:I've watched it with all of my kids (ages 11-19) and thought it was decently well done on showing what leads up to suicide. Little things others do that can contribute to hurting others and driving them in that direction.

Plus the other topics discussed were important talk pieces as well... rape, #MeToo culture, drinking, drugs, lying, sexting, sexuality, school violence, etc.

but this is not what leads up to suicide AT ALL. it is precisely the wrong message, that it's other people's fault that your life is the way you want it to be.

Exactly. Most, not all of the things that i recall happening were things that happen to people. Most of them weren't ill intended. Every kid is kind of bumping their way through life and is going to make mistakes and hurt people. I think the most damaging message of the show is to make kids think that someone else's suicide is THEIR fault. In most cases it is not.

Agreed.

There is a scene that really really bugs me. Hanna is upset about something, Clay asks her if she wants him to stay with her (in the moment, presumably to talk about it), and she says no. He leaves. Then one of her beefs with Clay, she explains, is that he DIDN'T stay. The message was "Poor me, nobody cares enough about me to stay by my side and comfort me." And this scene was played out as though the boy was supposed to feel like crap about it.

It's SO backwards, especially when they seemed to get the concept of sexual consent right. No means no only sometimes?

Anonymous wrote:A show about teen suicide somehow causes a spike in teen suicides. Are young people being programmed by a program ?

Netflix and others are counting on it. Be a better parent.

Yes Netflix is trying to make our children kill themselves because the best business strategy is to have fewer people alive to buy their services.

A show about teen suicide somehow causes a spike in teen suicides. Are young people being programmed by a program ?

Netflix and others are counting on it. Be a better parent.

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Anonymous wrote:I've watched it with all of my kids (ages 11-19) and thought it was decently well done on showing what leads up to suicide. Little things others do that can contribute to hurting others and driving them in that direction.

Plus the other topics discussed were important talk pieces as well... rape, #MeToo culture, drinking, drugs, lying, sexting, sexuality, school violence, etc.

but this is not what leads up to suicide AT ALL. it is precisely the wrong message, that it's other people's fault that your life is the way you want it to be.

Exactly. Most, not all of the things that i recall happening were things that happen to people. Most of them weren't ill intended. Every kid is kind of bumping their way through life and is going to make mistakes and hurt people. I think the most damaging message of the show is to make kids think that someone else's suicide is THEIR fault. In most cases it is not.

Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:I've watched it with all of my kids (ages 11-19) and thought it was decently well done on showing what leads up to suicide. Little things others do that can contribute to hurting others and driving them in that direction.

Plus the other topics discussed were important talk pieces as well... rape, #MeToo culture, drinking, drugs, lying, sexting, sexuality, school violence, etc.

but this is not what leads up to suicide AT ALL. it is precisely the wrong message, that it's other people's fault that your life is the way you want it to be.

Exactly. Most, not all of the things that i recall happening were things that happen to people. Most of them weren't ill intended. Every kid is kind of bumping their way through life and is going to make mistakes and hurt people. I think the most damaging message of the show is to make kids think that someone else's suicide is THEIR fault. In most cases it is not.

Anonymous wrote:I've watched it with all of my kids (ages 11-19) and thought it was decently well done on showing what leads up to suicide. Little things others do that can contribute to hurting others and driving them in that direction.

Plus the other topics discussed were important talk pieces as well... rape, #MeToo culture, drinking, drugs, lying, sexting, sexuality, school violence, etc.

but this is not what leads up to suicide AT ALL. it is precisely the wrong message, that it's other people's fault that your life is the way you want it to be.

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Anonymous wrote:The show certainly doesn't make suicide seem glamorous. Simply talking about suicide doesn't make it happen more.

It does, actually. And you aren't watching it through the eyes of someone vulnerable to suicide.

Agreed.

If you feel invisible, suicide gives you attention. Even 13 Reasons why had the girl showing others what they did (or didn't do) to her through her suicide.

Half heartedly agree. I don't think the show glamorizes suicide but more like leigtimizes it. It's a call for attention and it indeed in the fictional world of 13 Reason Why it worked. However, I doubt that it's a main catalyst for an increase in suicides in real life.

Anonymous wrote:The show certainly doesn't make suicide seem glamourous. Simply talking about suicide doesn't make it happen more.

Right. But it does make the aftermath seem pretty fantastic for a young person who is in deep need of attention. Commit suicide and become the center of attention for a big group of people, for years to come,