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Anonymous wrote:IME people who love cheese find it easy to eat too many calories from cheese. All Atkins/Keto does is help you restrict calories, so if you can easily overeat any kind of low carb food, you’re going to have to stay away from that thing or else count calories (and it seems like people like low carb because it makes it easier to avoid counting calories while still restricting them).

Thanks, this is exactly my problem. I love cheese and happily eat it on/with everything. On Atkins I would eat it with every meal and for snacks. May have to cut it out except for cream in my coffee.

It wasn’t the cheese that was hindering your success. It was that you were still eating too many carbs. Seriously.

No, they were eating too many calories. It always comes down to calories.

This. There are no replicated high quality studies supporting the contention that being “in ketosis” changes the conversion of calories into fat.

The point is that OP wasn’t *in* ketosis.

and my point was that Ketosis does. not. matter. At the end of the day weight/fat is lost when you are in a calorie deficit. doesn't matter if those calories are from fat, carbs or protein.

You’ve been reading 90s diet books again. Go have a snackwells. They’re low cal!

And you can go jump on the next diet bandwagon. In the end ALL diets accomplish the same thing weight loss through calorie reduction. Hundreds of different ways to do that, look up the guy who lost weight eating only twinkies.

You are ignoring that there is actual science behind low carb diets though. Eating low carb keeps your blood sugar stable throughout the day which means you feel less hungry and don't "need" to eat like you do when you are eating a bunch of carbs. White rice is simply not going to keep you feeling full the way that an omelet would. I love pasta, bread, rice, potatoes, corn....but I also know that those food trigger hunger in mean, not because I'm weak willed but because my blood sugar literally goes on a roller coaster ride after eating that stuff. For me, I have MUCH better luck sticking with Keto friendly foods. I feel and look better, I have more energy, my lab work looks great. There is no downside in my opinion.

I am not arguing that certain food will make you feel more full and satisfy you for longer. I understand that a 1500 calorie diet high protein and veggies with leaving you feeling more satisfied than 1500 calories of twinkies. I totally get that and agree. However, the reason people lose weight on keto is NOT because of ketosis or some magic food formula, they lose weight because they eat fewer calories than they burn, thus creating a calorie deficit. If eating keto works for you and you can stick with it for the rest of your life, great. Most people can't though. I'd rather eat all the food I love in moderation.

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Anonymous wrote:IME people who love cheese find it easy to eat too many calories from cheese. All Atkins/Keto does is help you restrict calories, so if you can easily overeat any kind of low carb food, you’re going to have to stay away from that thing or else count calories (and it seems like people like low carb because it makes it easier to avoid counting calories while still restricting them).

Thanks, this is exactly my problem. I love cheese and happily eat it on/with everything. On Atkins I would eat it with every meal and for snacks. May have to cut it out except for cream in my coffee.

It wasn’t the cheese that was hindering your success. It was that you were still eating too many carbs. Seriously.

No, they were eating too many calories. It always comes down to calories.

This. There are no replicated high quality studies supporting the contention that being “in ketosis” changes the conversion of calories into fat.

The point is that OP wasn’t *in* ketosis.

and my point was that Ketosis does. not. matter. At the end of the day weight/fat is lost when you are in a calorie deficit. doesn't matter if those calories are from fat, carbs or protein.

You’ve been reading 90s diet books again. Go have a snackwells. They’re low cal!

And you can go jump on the next diet bandwagon. In the end ALL diets accomplish the same thing weight loss through calorie reduction. Hundreds of different ways to do that, look up the guy who lost weight eating only twinkies.

You are ignoring that there is actual science behind low carb diets though. Eating low carb keeps your blood sugar stable throughout the day which means you feel less hungry and don't "need" to eat like you do when you are eating a bunch of carbs. White rice is simply not going to keep you feeling full the way that an omelet would. I love pasta, bread, rice, potatoes, corn....but I also know that those food trigger hunger in mean, not because I'm weak willed but because my blood sugar literally goes on a roller coaster ride after eating that stuff. For me, I have MUCH better luck sticking with Keto friendly foods. I feel and look better, I have more energy, my lab work looks great. There is no downside in my opinion.

Why are you trying to lean on science without actually citing to science?

^Also, a veggie omelet has a ton more nutritional value than a plate of white rice or a bowl of pasta does.

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Anonymous wrote:IME people who love cheese find it easy to eat too many calories from cheese. All Atkins/Keto does is help you restrict calories, so if you can easily overeat any kind of low carb food, you’re going to have to stay away from that thing or else count calories (and it seems like people like low carb because it makes it easier to avoid counting calories while still restricting them).

Thanks, this is exactly my problem. I love cheese and happily eat it on/with everything. On Atkins I would eat it with every meal and for snacks. May have to cut it out except for cream in my coffee.

It wasn’t the cheese that was hindering your success. It was that you were still eating too many carbs. Seriously.

No, they were eating too many calories. It always comes down to calories.

This. There are no replicated high quality studies supporting the contention that being “in ketosis” changes the conversion of calories into fat.

The point is that OP wasn’t *in* ketosis.

and my point was that Ketosis does. not. matter. At the end of the day weight/fat is lost when you are in a calorie deficit. doesn't matter if those calories are from fat, carbs or protein.

You’ve been reading 90s diet books again. Go have a snackwells. They’re low cal!

And you can go jump on the next diet bandwagon. In the end ALL diets accomplish the same thing weight loss through calorie reduction. Hundreds of different ways to do that, look up the guy who lost weight eating only twinkies.

You are ignoring that there is actual science behind low carb diets though. Eating low carb keeps your blood sugar stable throughout the day which means you feel less hungry and don't "need" to eat like you do when you are eating a bunch of carbs. White rice is simply not going to keep you feeling full the way that an omelet would. I love pasta, bread, rice, potatoes, corn....but I also know that those food trigger hunger in mean, not because I'm weak willed but because my blood sugar literally goes on a roller coaster ride after eating that stuff. For me, I have MUCH better luck sticking with Keto friendly foods. I feel and look better, I have more energy, my lab work looks great. There is no downside in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not eat a balanced and healthy diet? The food fads are not going to help you in the long run.

No OP but because eating a balanced healthy diet will require people prone to overeating to carefully measure food and count calories, which is time consuming and annoying.

True, but regaining weight and needing to start over again is also time consuming and annoying. I have nothing wrong with Keto or any "diet" as long as you can honestly stick with it for the rest of your life. I just keep hearing people say how they can only lose weigh ton keto, or gain weigh then they eat a piece of bread, or only keto works for them, but i have to question, if you are constantly going on and off a diet, gaining weigh when you go off, only losing again on, then is that diet really working for you? To me the diet that really works for you is the one where you learn to eat for your life/lifestyle. Not saying that can't be keto or whatever, just that most people aren't honestly never going to eat bread ever again.

Even here OP is only concerned with how much weight she can lose and how quickly she can lose it on keto, not how long she can keep i toff for or how easy or difficult this diet/lifestyle is to maintain for the long haul.

+10000

I've done all the diets. I remained fat. Diets and fads don't work for lifetime maintenance.

Then I started working out regularly, cut way back on eating out, made more meals at home, but also did not cut out anything entirely. Not bread, not ice cream, not chocolate. And I lost 60lbs - it took me a year and a half to lose it, but I've maintained it for almost 6 years now.

All things in moderation. Slow and steady wins the race, if you want to lose the weight for good.

That's a pretty funny statement too. As if Keto isn't Atkins, another 90s diet fad.

The fact that people keep falling for this pseudo science is discouraging.

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Anonymous wrote:IME people who love cheese find it easy to eat too many calories from cheese. All Atkins/Keto does is help you restrict calories, so if you can easily overeat any kind of low carb food, you’re going to have to stay away from that thing or else count calories (and it seems like people like low carb because it makes it easier to avoid counting calories while still restricting them).

Thanks, this is exactly my problem. I love cheese and happily eat it on/with everything. On Atkins I would eat it with every meal and for snacks. May have to cut it out except for cream in my coffee.

It wasn’t the cheese that was hindering your success. It was that you were still eating too many carbs. Seriously.

No, they were eating too many calories. It always comes down to calories.

This. There are no replicated high quality studies supporting the contention that being “in ketosis” changes the conversion of calories into fat.

The point is that OP wasn’t *in* ketosis.

and my point was that Ketosis does. not. matter. At the end of the day weight/fat is lost when you are in a calorie deficit. doesn't matter if those calories are from fat, carbs or protein.

You’ve been reading 90s diet books again. Go have a snackwells. They’re low cal!

And you can go jump on the next diet bandwagon. In the end ALL diets accomplish the same thing weight loss through calorie reduction. Hundreds of different ways to do that, look up the guy who lost weight eating only twinkies.

Go for it, OP. If that's what gets you motivated.

I have two data points for you:
1. 55 year old fit, healthy, reasonable guy. Did Keto to try it, lost 30 pounds in about 4 months. Said he has more energy (he already went on 40 mile bike rides a few times a week). Getting to look a little too thin in his face. He has recently moved to the maintenance plan.
2. 27 year old non-exerciser woman. Did keto because she realized she was 40 pounds over weight and wants to be in better shape to start a family. Lost 30 pounds in about 3 months. Really stuck to the food plan but never exercised at all. Now she is eating healthier foods but not on keto anymore. Said she changed the way she eats for the better, not going back to chips and snacks.

I recently lost 20 pounds but not by keto. I eat less and exercise more. Lost it more slowly, over 6 months but I can easily keep this pace forever.

Highly recommend. I had great success with it, lost several pant sizes. Now I integrate more natural sugars and wheat in my diet. I’m more aware of what adds pounds on and particular foods that ‘trigger’ me to want more sugar! I avoid certain foods that stall my weight loss and give myself weekend off plan days to eat the sugary treats/breads but the trick is going right back on it. Good luck!

I did it with great success last year, but I found that it really wasn't sustainable [for me] to reduce my carb intake that much. Plus the keto breath was gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not eat a balanced and healthy diet? The food fads are not going to help you in the long run.

No OP but because eating a balanced healthy diet will require people prone to overeating to carefully measure food and count calories, which is time consuming and annoying.

True, but regaining weight and needing to start over again is also time consuming and annoying. I have nothing wrong with Keto or any "diet" as long as you can honestly stick with it for the rest of your life. I just keep hearing people say how they can only lose weigh ton keto, or gain weigh then they eat a piece of bread, or only keto works for them, but i have to question, if you are constantly going on and off a diet, gaining weigh when you go off, only losing again on, then is that diet really working for you? To me the diet that really works for you is the one where you learn to eat for your life/lifestyle. Not saying that can't be keto or whatever, just that most people aren't honestly never going to eat bread ever again.

Even here OP is only concerned with how much weight she can lose and how quickly she can lose it on keto, not how long she can keep i toff for or how easy or difficult this diet/lifestyle is to maintain for the long haul.

I have a question- can't you use keto to lose a bunch of weight and then go back to maintain? If you were to keep doign the same thing more or less you would keep losing, right?

I've found success with Keto because it makes me mindful of how much protein I was eating. It also helps me keep tabs on the quality and types of carbs I'm eating. I do have fat in my diet but I try to get that from healthy sources like avocados, olive oil, fish rich in omega 3, olives, etc.

Occasionally I will have a non Keto friendly food or drink. But I just go right back to Keto. My body simply does not need that many carbs, I love them but they cause me trouble if I eat too many.

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Anonymous wrote:IME people who love cheese find it easy to eat too many calories from cheese. All Atkins/Keto does is help you restrict calories, so if you can easily overeat any kind of low carb food, you’re going to have to stay away from that thing or else count calories (and it seems like people like low carb because it makes it easier to avoid counting calories while still restricting them).

Thanks, this is exactly my problem. I love cheese and happily eat it on/with everything. On Atkins I would eat it with every meal and for snacks. May have to cut it out except for cream in my coffee.

It wasn’t the cheese that was hindering your success. It was that you were still eating too many carbs. Seriously.

No, they were eating too many calories. It always comes down to calories.

This. There are no replicated high quality studies supporting the contention that being “in ketosis” changes the conversion of calories into fat.

The point is that OP wasn’t *in* ketosis.

and my point was that Ketosis does. not. matter. At the end of the day weight/fat is lost when you are in a calorie deficit. doesn't matter if those calories are from fat, carbs or protein.

You’ve been reading 90s diet books again. Go have a snackwells. They’re low cal!

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Anonymous wrote:I would try it for a few weeks and see how you do on it.

For some women, keto and intermittent fasting doesn’t work, especially if you’re already normal weight just trying to lose less than 15-20 lbs. These diets can disrupt our hormonal balance and cause a host of issues like acne, irregular cycles, etc. It’s very individual and what works for some may not work for others. If you feel good and are losing weight then it probably will work for you!

I’m relatively slender and do keto periodically when I am eating too much sugar and have gained five pounds or so. I find it totally clears up my acne and regulates my menstrual cycle. Sugar is the problem.

So true! The problem is sugar.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not eat a balanced and healthy diet? The food fads are not going to help you in the long run.

No OP but because eating a balanced healthy diet will require people prone to overeating to carefully measure food and count calories, which is time consuming and annoying.

True, but regaining weight and needing to start over again is also time consuming and annoying. I have nothing wrong with Keto or any "diet" as long as you can honestly stick with it for the rest of your life. I just keep hearing people say how they can only lose weigh ton keto, or gain weigh then they eat a piece of bread, or only keto works for them, but i have to question, if you are constantly going on and off a diet, gaining weigh when you go off, only losing again on, then is that diet really working for you? To me the diet that really works for you is the one where you learn to eat for your life/lifestyle. Not saying that can't be keto or whatever, just that most people aren't honestly never going to eat bread ever again.

Even here OP is only concerned with how much weight she can lose and how quickly she can lose it on keto, not how long she can keep i toff for or how easy or difficult this diet/lifestyle is to maintain for the long haul.

I have a question- can't you use keto to lose a bunch of weight and then go back to maintain? If you were to keep doign the same thing more or less you would keep losing, right?

Go back to what? The diet you were eating? If you don't normally eat keto but use it to lose weight, sure you can go back to another diet to maintain as long as you still keep your calories in check. You will gain some water weigh when you eat more carbs but that will even out if your calories are still in check. Now if you do Keto/any diet to lose weight and go back to your previous bad habits that caused you to gain weight in the first place then you will gain the weight back. This is why I am more a fan of losing weight the same way you plan on maintaining. Personally, I'd rather figure out how to incorporate my favorite foods (sweats, donuts, carbs, whatever) into my diet and eat them in moderation than to swear them off forever and follow a diet I know I won't stick with for the rest of my life, but hey, to each their own.

True. if you keep eating in a deficit you will keep losing. Most people gradually increase calories over time to maintain.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not eat a balanced and healthy diet? The food fads are not going to help you in the long run.

No OP but because eating a balanced healthy diet will require people prone to overeating to carefully measure food and count calories, which is time consuming and annoying.

True, but regaining weight and needing to start over again is also time consuming and annoying. I have nothing wrong with Keto or any "diet" as long as you can honestly stick with it for the rest of your life. I just keep hearing people say how they can only lose weigh ton keto, or gain weigh then they eat a piece of bread, or only keto works for them, but i have to question, if you are constantly going on and off a diet, gaining weigh when you go off, only losing again on, then is that diet really working for you? To me the diet that really works for you is the one where you learn to eat for your life/lifestyle. Not saying that can't be keto or whatever, just that most people aren't honestly never going to eat bread ever again.

Even here OP is only concerned with how much weight she can lose and how quickly she can lose it on keto, not how long she can keep i toff for or how easy or difficult this diet/lifestyle is to maintain for the long haul.

I have a question- can't you use keto to lose a bunch of weight and then go back to maintain? If you were to keep doign the same thing more or less you would keep losing, right?