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Anonymous wrote:32 deaths in 10 years? How does it compare to SIDS rate generally over the same time? There is no way to evaluate the number 32 without a comparator.

They weren't sids deaths. All those infants were over 3 months, not restrained and rolled over and suffocated. Horrible but not sids.

THIS is not true. The deaths were for two reasons - infants over 3 months who rolled over, AND younger newborns who suffocated due to positional asphyxiation. The latter is what's being ignored on this thread and many other places, and that's perhaps the most dangerous part.

No one has provided evidence of the latter. The former is the subject of the news article last week which is the first definitive information about RnP safety I have ever seen.

Read: https://www.consumerreports.org/recalls/fisher-price-rock-n-play-sleeper-should-be-recalled-consumer-reports-says

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32 deaths in 10 years? How does it compare to SIDS rate generally over the same time? There is no way to evaluate the number 32 without a comparator.

They weren't sids deaths. All those infants were over 3 months, not restrained and rolled over and suffocated. Horrible but not sids.

THIS is not true. The deaths were for two reasons - infants over 3 months who rolled over, AND younger newborns who suffocated due to positional asphyxiation. The latter is what's being ignored on this thread and many other places, and that's perhaps the most dangerous part.

No one has provided evidence of the latter. The former is the subject of the news article last week which is the first definitive information about RnP safety I have ever seen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:32 deaths in 10 years? How does it compare to SIDS rate generally over the same time? There is no way to evaluate the number 32 without a comparator.

They weren't sids deaths. All those infants were over 3 months, not restrained and rolled over and suffocated. Horrible but not sids.

THIS is not true. The deaths were for two reasons - infants over 3 months who rolled over, AND younger newborns who suffocated due to positional asphyxiation. The latter is what's being ignored on this thread and many other places, and that's perhaps the most dangerous part.

I have a legitimate, honest question. How many infants die of positional asphyxiation in other devices such as swings, rockers or car seats when they are being used correctly?

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Anonymous wrote:32 deaths in 10 years? How does it compare to SIDS rate generally over the same time? There is no way to evaluate the number 32 without a comparator.

They weren't sids deaths. All those infants were over 3 months, not restrained and rolled over and suffocated. Horrible but not sids.

THIS is not true. The deaths were for two reasons - infants over 3 months who rolled over, AND younger newborns who suffocated due to positional asphyxiation. The latter is what's being ignored on this thread and many other places, and that's perhaps the most dangerous part.

Those RNP's are dangerous and not needed.

You don't know when the baby is old enough to roll, until they actually roll. Which may be in the RNP.

Not worth the risk IMO.

Anonymous wrote:32 deaths in 10 years? How does it compare to SIDS rate generally over the same time? There is no way to evaluate the number 32 without a comparator.

They weren't sids deaths. All those infants were over 3 months, not restrained and rolled over and suffocated. Horrible but not sids.

32 deaths in 10 years? How does it compare to SIDS rate generally over the same time? There is no way to evaluate the number 32 without a comparator.

Good luck finding something better. Use it properly and it's fine. Don't use it, get exhausted, pull kid into bed and crush them when you roll over. Good luck.

I saw a news story about this. Apparently the issue is babies turning over in it. IMO the Rock and Play was essential to have when I had newborns, as both my kids hated sleeping flat on their backs but where fine elevated at an incline in the Rock n Play. It's just essential you move them to a crib by the time they can roll over. Also I only used the RnP next to my bed, where I was right next to them.

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Anonymous wrote:NP - Can I ask why a swing is fine for naps but the RnP is not? Am I misreading?

Also, I feel awful I never knew this, but I wasn't aware we were supposed to stop using those once they could roll. Honest to goodness, I kept my first kid in the RnP til 9mo because he wouldn't nap in the crib at home (at daycare, sure, but home... sigh...). Realizing now how lucky I was and rethinking our sleep approach with the one I'm due with this summer.

A swing or other inclined surface isn’t considered safe either. The AAP only approves flat, firm surfaces like cribs, bassinets, or play yards. I agree it’s really hard trying to get them to sleep that way.

They've changed the guidance in the last couple years. I didn't know either, PP, and I also used it for way longer than you're supposed to. We're all just doing the best we can.

Anonymous wrote:NP - Can I ask why a swing is fine for naps but the RnP is not? Am I misreading?

Also, I feel awful I never knew this, but I wasn't aware we were supposed to stop using those once they could roll. Honest to goodness, I kept my first kid in the RnP til 9mo because he wouldn't nap in the crib at home (at daycare, sure, but home... sigh...). Realizing now how lucky I was and rethinking our sleep approach with the one I'm due with this summer.

PP don't worry. You weren't actually that lucky. I don't mean that callously but mathematically. Even misusing the RnP it is EXTREMELY unlikely that any specific infant will die in one. Make different choices for your next baby if that feels right, 100%, but understand that the odds of this extraordinary tragedy happening to you are extremely extremely small. The dread of it happening looms large because of how horrible it would be, but it is likely that your child was never in any real danger.

Anonymous wrote:NP - Can I ask why a swing is fine for naps but the RnP is not? Am I misreading?

Also, I feel awful I never knew this, but I wasn't aware we were supposed to stop using those once they could roll. Honest to goodness, I kept my first kid in the RnP til 9mo because he wouldn't nap in the crib at home (at daycare, sure, but home... sigh...). Realizing now how lucky I was and rethinking our sleep approach with the one I'm due with this summer.

A swing or other inclined surface isn’t considered safe either. The AAP only approves flat, firm surfaces like cribs, bassinets, or play yards. I agree it’s really hard trying to get them to sleep that way.

I would keep using the rock n play. I would not put a baby who could roll back to front in one, and I would always make sure the baby is strapped in.

NP - Can I ask why a swing is fine for naps but the RnP is not? Am I misreading?

Also, I feel awful I never knew this, but I wasn't aware we were supposed to stop using those once they could roll. Honest to goodness, I kept my first kid in the RnP til 9mo because he wouldn't nap in the crib at home (at daycare, sure, but home... sigh...). Realizing now how lucky I was and rethinking our sleep approach with the one I'm due with this summer.

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Anonymous wrote:I plan on using the RnP with the safety harness according to the clear directions.

Isn't the safety harness designed to keep them from falling out when the thing is rocking? I think the problem is that the harness doesn't prevent their head and neck from shifting position which in a tiny baby can block oxygen flow.

Every baby that died was more than three months and not secured so likely rolled over and could not roll back. The harness prevents that.

I'm not saying that there isn't a slightly increased risk of positional asphyxia. But the risk is very very very small and for a lot of people the benefit of what the RnP provides far outweighs that tiny tiny uptick in risk.

Got it, thanks. So always use the restraint harness correctly, and stop using the product at 3 months old or as soon as they can roll over on their own.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2019/CPSC-ALERT-CPSC-and-Fisher-Price-Warn-Consumers-About-Fisher-Price-Rock-N-Play-Due-to-Reports-of-Death-When-Infants-Roll-Over-in-the-Product