Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am STUNNED that a black woman who went to Columbia and studied under Eric Foner wound up as an adjunct. She is not really a good example of the adjunct problem, because she went to a prestige institution and did, in fact, get a tenure track job after she got her PhD (after that, the fact is, she didn't play the game right). The "classic" adjunct did not go to an Ivy, did not get a tenure track job offer, and had to work as an adjunct before giving up on academia entirely.
+1. She is a really poor example of the real problem the article is supposed to highlight. She had a tenure track job, but left it in large part because of a bad commute. Plus, it was clear that she was only willing to look at jobs in or fairly near to NYC.
It also sounds like she essentially stopped publishing for reasons only partly related the difficulties of being an adjunct.
Even for highly qualified people, the academic market is tough. You usually can't be all that picky about location and voluntarily leaving a good job without having something lined up and for less than the most compelling reasons, is often going to leave you in a lurch.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am STUNNED that a black woman who went to Columbia and studied under Eric Foner wound up as an adjunct. She is not really a good example of the adjunct problem, because she went to a prestige institution and did, in fact, get a tenure track job after she got her PhD (after that, the fact is, she didn't play the game right). The "classic" adjunct did not go to an Ivy, did not get a tenure track job offer, and had to work as an adjunct before giving up on academia entirely.
But she is a striking example of what does happens once you are on that track. Other people from elite institutions wind up on that track when they have children or family issues that prevent them from publishing.
I think the broader point, which this article doesn't make, is that universities cannot or will not fill all of the teaching positions they need from permanent faculty. And we are all paying a LOT to send our kids to college. I have no doubt that many adjuncts are great teachers -- some may be even better teachers simply because they are not pre-occupied with their own research.
Anonymous wrote:But putting aside whether these PhD holders are making poor decisions, and some of them are, the fact that universities can and do pay people so little is appalling.
The salary is not at all commensurate with experience or education.
And the reality is 90% of universities in this country simply could not function without them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But putting aside whether these PhD holders are making poor decisions, and some of them are, the fact that universities can and do pay people so little is appalling.
The salary is not at all commensurate with experience or education.
And the reality is 90% of universities in this country simply could not function without them.
But isn’t it just a matter of supply & demand? Why pay people good wages when there are often 100 people applying for a job? I mean, besides the morality component? Because that’s how it works in the private sector, everyone I know thinks their underpaid. Companies (& universities) pay as little as they can get away with. And they had “experience or education” they could work somewhere else. That’s why it’s so hard for universities to hire computer science professors. If you’re good enough at CS to work at a university, you make much more in the private sector. What else are you going to do with a Philosophy PhD besides admin or being a barista?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But putting aside whether these PhD holders are making poor decisions, and some of them are, the fact that universities can and do pay people so little is appalling.
The salary is not at all commensurate with experience or education.
And the reality is 90% of universities in this country simply could not function without them.
But isn’t it just a matter of supply & demand? Why pay people good wages when there are often 100 people applying for a job? I mean, besides the morality component? Because that’s how it works in the private sector, everyone I know thinks their underpaid. Companies (& universities) pay as little as they can get away with. And they had “experience or education” they could work somewhere else. That’s why it’s so hard for universities to hire computer science professors. If you’re good enough at CS to work at a university, you make much more in the private sector. What else are you going to do with a Philosophy PhD besides admin or being a barista?
Anonymous wrote:But putting aside whether these PhD holders are making poor decisions, and some of them are, the fact that universities can and do pay people so little is appalling.
The salary is not at all commensurate with experience or education.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But putting aside whether these PhD holders are making poor decisions, and some of them are, the fact that universities can and do pay people so little is appalling.
The salary is not at all commensurate with experience or education.
And the reality is 90% of universities in this country simply could not function without them.
But isn’t it just a matter of supply & demand? Why pay people good wages when there are often 100 people applying for a job? I mean, besides the morality component? Because that’s how it works in the private sector, everyone I know thinks their underpaid. Companies (& universities) pay as little as they can get away with. And they had “experience or education” they could work somewhere else. That’s why it’s so hard for universities to hire computer science professors. If you’re good enough at CS to work at a university, you make much more in the private sector. What else are you going to do with a Philosophy PhD besides admin or being a barista?
It is a moral issue. And it's spreading. Just another example of a job that is unsustainable in a gig economy.
The best response is collective action and bargaining.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But putting aside whether these PhD holders are making poor decisions, and some of them are, the fact that universities can and do pay people so little is appalling.
The salary is not at all commensurate with experience or education.
And the reality is 90% of universities in this country simply could not function without them.
But isn’t it just a matter of supply & demand? Why pay people good wages when there are often 100 people applying for a job? I mean, besides the morality component? Because that’s how it works in the private sector, everyone I know thinks their underpaid. Companies (& universities) pay as little as they can get away with. And they had “experience or education” they could work somewhere else. That’s why it’s so hard for universities to hire computer science professors. If you’re good enough at CS to work at a university, you make much more in the private sector. What else are you going to do with a Philosophy PhD besides admin or being a barista?
Anonymous wrote:But putting aside whether these PhD holders are making poor decisions, and some of them are, the fact that universities can and do pay people so little is appalling.
The salary is not at all commensurate with experience or education.
And the reality is 90% of universities in this country simply could not function without them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am STUNNED that a black woman who went to Columbia and studied under Eric Foner wound up as an adjunct. She is not really a good example of the adjunct problem, because she went to a prestige institution and did, in fact, get a tenure track job after she got her PhD (after that, the fact is, she didn't play the game right). The "classic" adjunct did not go to an Ivy, did not get a tenure track job offer, and had to work as an adjunct before giving up on academia entirely.
+1. She is a really poor example of the real problem the article is supposed to highlight. She had a tenure track job, but left it in large part because of a bad commute. Plus, it was clear that she was only willing to look at jobs in or fairly near to NYC.
It also sounds like she essentially stopped publishing for reasons only partly related the difficulties of being an adjunct.
Even for highly qualified people, the academic market is tough. You usually can't be all that picky about location and voluntarily leaving a good job without having something lined up and for less than the most compelling reasons, is often going to leave you in a lurch.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I think the broader point, which this article doesn't make, is that universities cannot or will not fill all of the teaching positions they need from permanent faculty.
This is the issue. Take a typical PhD program at a university. They graduate 5-10 PhDs' per year, but are they creating 5-10 job openings also? Typically it's 2-3 at most, due to retirement, attrition, and maybe funding for one new position.
I'm not sure why PhDs don't realize this -- they are really smart people, after all. I guess they are so focused on their research that they don't think practically.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I think the broader point, which this article doesn't make, is that universities cannot or will not fill all of the teaching positions they need from permanent faculty.
This is the issue. Take a typical PhD program at a university. They graduate 5-10 PhDs' per year, but are they creating 5-10 job openings also? Typically it's 2-3 at most, due to retirement, attrition, and maybe funding for one new position.
I'm not sure why PhDs don't realize this -- they are really smart people, after all. I guess they are so focused on their research that they don't think practically.
Is there any field where the department has at least as many job openings per year as the number of PhDs they graduate?