Anonymous wrote:^^You know, I have several responses for you, but f I fnd people who need to go on the defensive and get nasty tend not to be receptive. We're really interested in a conversation.

I mean, your response is so over-the-top in its rudeness, tunnel vision, and nasty (and its inaccuracies), why would anyone even want to have a conversation with you?

Perhaps it's rude. Perhaps it's one sided on a position. What it is for certain is correct. The poster who linked the article had a clear position and linked the article as blind support. The problem is that the article, as was the poster, is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue that they prefer a natural lawn as opposed to a manicured lawn, fine. What I'm tired of is people saying that those who choose otherwise are damaging the the rivers, the pollinators, the babies, etc etc, when their arguments for why are factually unsupported.

Anonymous wrote:^^You know, I have several responses for you, but f I fnd people who need to go on the defensive and get nasty tend not to be receptive. We're really interested in a conversation.

I mean, your response is so over-the-top in its rudeness, tunnel vision, and nasty (and its inaccuracies), why would anyone even want to have a conversation with you?

+1

^^You know, I have several responses for you, but f I fnd people who need to go on the defensive and get nasty tend not to be receptive. We're really interested in a conversation.

I mean, your response is so over-the-top in its rudeness, tunnel vision, and nasty (and its inaccuracies), why would anyone even want to have a conversation with you?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think a clover lawn can withstand foot traffic.

What? No. Not at all. Actually, our monoculture lawns are far less resilient and more delicate..both to traffic and to overall hardiness.

People should really read up on the damage their monoculture lawns are doing. It's not judgment. It's just reality.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/outgrowing-the-traditional-grass-lawn/

This is just wrong. Clover is not able to stand up to foot traffic. Many modern turfgrass cultivars can.

And the article you linked to is laughable in its logic. One of its primary assumptions is that the removal of clover and other pollinator food sources from the environment is detrimental to our agricultural system. After all, remove the pollinators from the equation and who is going to pollinate the crops right? The problem is, not all pollinators are productive in crop pollination. Even the most adventurous pollinator forages maybe a mile from its colony. Many much less, like a quarter mile and under. You know just how much agriculture exists within a mile of my suburban home? Zero. Ergo, the pollinators that would range to my home are of zero value for agricultural purposes. The author also mentions how much water we use on our lawn. I have a highly manicured lawn. It looks fantastic. You know how often I water it? Never. Literally never. I chose the correct cultivars for the environment and use correct cultural practices. The author (and you) have a clear bent against lawns. Shut up until you know what you are talking about, and then we can have a productive discussion. Thanks.

Anonymous wrote:We have a mostly clover lawn now. It is GREAT for our bees. We keep bees but they have never been a nuisance and we at outside all the time.

We did a slow changeover from traditional to clover. I think it looks pretty much the same when it is short.

I am in the process of adding more white clover to my lawn for my bees. The bees ignore people unless you mess with their hive or stand directly in their flight path.

I buy the seed from Johnny Seeds.

Yeah it's called don't do anything, also allow the neighborhood dogs to crap all over your lawn

We bought some clover seed at Southern States in Burtonsville. You can also order it on the web.

Most lawns used to be a mix of clover and grass before the Advent of mass herbicide use; the herbicides not only kill the weeds, but also the clover. Grew up with clover in the yard, because my mom and dad had an older house with an older established lawn. Always loved it, there were bees but not a huge number, like another poster suggested.

Dh and I have had a mixed clover / grass yard for two different houses now. Clover provides nitrogen naturally and since the soil in our yard is crap here, it's been helpful to add clover. It's green when the grass here is green and brown when the grass is brown. The longer grass and clover help choke weeds.

Thankfully, we can do this as we don't have an HOA or super controlling neighbors.

Anonymous wrote:Where's everyone buying their seed mix?

Last year I bought Dutch White Clover on Amazon.com, but I can't recall what brand or firm.

I seeded in both spring and fall, sprinkling the clover seed on top of the existing grass. I'm satisfied with the results -- a lot of the seeds managed to germinate.

Where's everyone buying their seed mix?

Anonymous wrote:Garbage lazy people

And you sound perfectly lovely.

Clover is so pretty. We have patches of it and I wish it would take over the entire lawn because it looks better than grass.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a mostly clover lawn now. It is GREAT for our bees. We keep bees but they have never been a nuisance and we at outside all the time.

We did a slow changeover from traditional to clover. I think it looks pretty much the same when it is short.

Have you found clover to be more resilient than grass? That is, is clover easier to care for? Is it less likely to die during the hot summer?

You know, thinking on it, that does seem to be the case because the bees are able to be out there on the lawn if needed most of the summer. But I am not the person to ask.

I do not care about my lawn, never have. I mow it, I keep it decently maintained, and we do have some beautiful landscaping.. But I don't water grass in the summer, I don't use herbicides. I just think it's a waste of resources. I will take care of my garden, flowers and plants but not the grass..

In that regard, the clover has been relatively low maintenance

+1 This is pretty much my experience.

Garbage lazy people