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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Agreed. MIT, Cal Tech, and Stanford all offer a better return on investment than the Ivy League. If you want prestige AND a good ROI, you should look outside the Ivy League.



https://www.payscale.com/college-roi

We looked at both of these schools and actually know someone who a) went to MIT as an undergraduate and b) teaches at Cal Tech. They both said the majority of students on both of these campuses are graduate students, so it has a different feel than a primarily undergraduate campus. Great schools, but just know going in what the flavor of the campus will be.

Nearly every R1 in America has a graduate population that dwarfs the undergraduate population—Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, etc. you name it.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Agreed. MIT, Cal Tech, and Stanford all offer a better return on investment than the Ivy League. If you want prestige AND a good ROI, you should look outside the Ivy League.

https://www.payscale.com/college-roi

We looked at both of these schools and actually know someone who a) went to MIT as an undergraduate and b) teaches at Cal Tech. They both said the majority of students on both of these campuses are graduate students, so it has a different feel than a primarily undergraduate campus. Great schools, but just know going in what the flavor of the campus will be.

These debates are so silly -- IVY league trumps MIT, Cal Tech and Stanford? Seriously? MIT and Cal Tech are different schools and the best at what they do, not for everyone but no school is. The idea that Stanford falls below the prestige of an IVy is absurd but why would anyone even say that or care? So weird. Chicago? Outstanding school, every bit as good as every Ivy, again not for everyone, but to claim otherwise, and usually by people who have no connection to the Ivies is so bizarre. And one of the myths of the Ivy from the Post, and well documented, is that the undergraduate school does not matter that much for life outcomes, a fact that has been well documented in a number of studies. As to why elite academic schools want sports, ever been to an Ivy football game? Kids love it, alters the nature of the school, and they do put out some impressive teams. And many students prefer Stanford to the Ivies because it competes at high level sports. But again these debates about whether MIT etc is as good as an Ivy, so bizarre and silly.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Agreed. MIT, Cal Tech, and Stanford all offer a better return on investment than the Ivy League. If you want prestige AND a good ROI, you should look outside the Ivy League.

https://www.payscale.com/college-roi

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Yeah, I do. Read the USNWR rankings.

My kid goes to Chicago and we (her parents) could not possibly be more pleased with the education that she is receiving there as well as the environment there. The school works very hard to create a great intellectual environment but also a great experience socially. It’s an amazing school and our daughter loves it there. We really could care less about any ‘rankings’.

Well, UChicago is consistently a highly ranked school, so ...

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Yeah, I do. Read the USNWR rankings.

My kid goes to Chicago and we (her parents) could not possibly be more pleased with the education that she is receiving there as well as the environment there. The school works very hard to create a great intellectual environment but also a great experience socially. It’s an amazing school and our daughter loves it there. We really could care less about any ‘rankings’.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a whole league of colleges that do not give athletic scholarships or significant advantage to athletes. They are in Division III and their conference is called the University Athletic Association (UAA). The students are truly called "student-athletes" with an emphasis on "student". I believe there are 8 schools in the conference including Carnegie Mellon, Emory, University of Rochester, University of Chicago, Brandeis, and Case Western. NYU and Washington University.

All are excellent schools

Exactly. Why are people so obcessed with their kids getting into an Ivy League school when there are other , better schools for their child to attend?

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Yeah, I do. Read the USNWR rankings.

Where do the USNWR rankings reveal career implications of attending Ivy vs. non-Ivy schools?

Even so, are you seriously telling me someone who goes to MIT is at a disadvantage compared to someone who went to Brown or Dartmouth?

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Yeah, I do. Read the USNWR rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest myth is that the Ivy League is some sort of association that means "schools that are the best." It's a football league, plain and simple.

There's no merit-based criteria for getting into it.

And there you have the biggest myth of all.

How is that a myth? It's literally true.

Do you honestly think Ivy League schools confer a better education than, say, MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc.? Do you think they open more doors, career-wise, than those schools? If you do, you're sorely deluded.

Anonymous wrote:What is the support for the idea that Ivy applicant demand sports? True for Alabama, Ohio State and perhaps Duke. But the idea that people want to go to Yale or Columbia because of spectator sports is nuts. Way too many slots for athletes.

They don't care what students want. They care that alumni want to come back to watch Harvard beat Yale. It is maintaining that type of connection and involvement that encourages donations. It's all about money.

Anonymous wrote:Crew viewing shapes the college experience an ivy? And even if you accept that, hockey and crew may be 10-15% of recruited athletes.

those are big at the Ivies and the "Ivies" are actually competitive in those sports.

Anonymous wrote:My advisor at HYPS actually advised that I transfer to Chicago; he thought I was too intellectual for the place. (This was 20 years ago).

My college advisor told me losers on the internet lie.

Crew viewing shapes the college experience an ivy? And even if you accept that, hockey and crew may be 10-15% of recruited athletes.

Anonymous wrote:What is the support for the idea that Ivy applicant demand sports? True for Alabama, Ohio State and perhaps Duke. But the idea that people want to go to Yale or Columbia because of spectator sports is nuts. Way too many slots for athletes.

They're big in hockey and in crew though.