Anonymous
03/10/2019 11:03
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.
Almost all of the parents in my daughter's year-round club are convinced their kids will swim in college. Yet historically from same club, only a couple each year go onto fairly mediocre D3 colleges.
There are many year-round clubs but few offer good quality training. We don’t know what time standards your daughter’s teammates achieved or which grades they had at schools, and thus it is a useless task to answer why they ended in D3. You know, MIT is D3
Anonymous
03/10/2019 10:47
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.
Almost all of the parents in my daughter's year-round club are convinced their kids will swim in college. Yet historically from same club, only a couple each year go onto fairly mediocre D3 colleges.
Anonymous
03/10/2019 10:44
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Is a 12-year-old gal with AAA, A, AA, A, A finishes last 5 tournaments good enough for D1 or Ivy?
Anonymous
03/10/2019 08:59
Subject: Re:% of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.collegeswimming.com/recruiting/standards/?gender=F&course=S&season=22
These are college recruiting standards. It’s pretty easy to tell if Pookums has a chance at D1 and/or a full scholarship.
Most kids we know that are swimming D1 with a scholarship have made some kind of Olympic trial qualifying time. They aren’t necessary going to the Olympucscbut the possibility is there.
Note that you can also get cut from your college team. You won’t lose the scholarship but if your kid never performs they could get cut from the team to make space for another swimmer who produces results.
This link only gives points scores for different events, but zero info what min total score is needed school by school. You can only find it by reviewing conference meets results, talking to their coaches and recruiters.
Why are we even talking scholarships? Most swimmers applying for Ivy League schools will be happy to pay for their education and only seek admission....
Anonymous
03/10/2019 08:39
Subject: Re:% of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.collegeswimming.com/recruiting/standards/?gender=F&course=S&season=22
These are college recruiting standards. It’s pretty easy to tell if Pookums has a chance at D1 and/or a full scholarship.
Most kids we know that are swimming D1 with a scholarship have made some kind of Olympic trial qualifying time. They aren’t necessary going to the Olympucscbut the possibility is there.
Note that you can also get cut from your college team. You won’t lose the scholarship but if your kid never performs they could get cut from the team to make space for another swimmer who produces results.
Anonymous
03/10/2019 07:44
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.
Either the swimmers have Olympic trial qualifying times or not. If they don’t - think D3.
The last post was a joke, right?
https://www.usaswimming.org/news-landing-page/2018/09/28/usa-swimming-unveils-qualifying-standards-for-2020-u.s.-olympic-team-trials-swimming
Why are you polluting the thread with those links? Most college swimmers don’t make it to Olympic trials
Anonymous
03/10/2019 07:34
Subject: Re:% of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous
03/10/2019 07:32
Subject: Re:% of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous
03/10/2019 07:28
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.
Either the swimmers have Olympic trial qualifying times or not. If they don’t - think D3.
The last post was a joke, right?
https://www.usaswimming.org/news-landing-page/2018/09/28/usa-swimming-unveils-qualifying-standards-for-2020-u.s.-olympic-team-trials-swimming
https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/timesdocuments/time-standards/2019-futures-championships-time-standards.pdf
Anonymous
03/10/2019 07:24
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.
Either the swimmers have Olympic trial qualifying times or not. If they don’t - think D3.
The last post was a joke, right?
https://www.usaswimming.org/news-landing-page/2018/09/28/usa-swimming-unveils-qualifying-standards-for-2020-u.s.-olympic-team-trials-swimming
Anonymous
03/10/2019 07:19
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.
Either the swimmers have Olympic trial qualifying times or not. If they don’t - think D3.
The last post was a joke, right?
Anonymous
03/10/2019 05:48
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.
Either the swimmers have Olympic trial qualifying times or not. If they don’t - think D3.
Anonymous
03/10/2019 05:46
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
Swimming is pretty clear cut - either you have the times for a certain school or you don’t.
It’s easy information to look up.
Anonymous
03/09/2019 23:47
Subject: Re:% of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My son dreams of MIT. It’s Division 3, and doesn’t even give scholarships. We can afford any college of his choice. Having swimming time cuts allows to compete for the school and can help getting into college of your dream, with all other factors being equal with other applicants.
If you look at that table, about top 6% of all high school swimmers qualify for college. Top 6% of your age group is an approx equivalent of AAA time (A is top 15%, AA is top 8%). In some states swimming is not too popular or advanced, but in DC-MD-VA many swimmers would make several AAA cuts in high school as long as they train. Most kids in decent clubs easily have 4-5 AA cuts by the age of 12.
Is 12-yo enough to sort of know if child is destined to be a college swimmer / scholarships? Gal's finishes past couple months: AAA, A, AA, A, A
Is there much movement with AAA kids from age 12 to 17? I suspect not, but then again, who knows what puberty will do, right? And don't a lot of swimmers quit or plateau when bf/gf/partying come into the picture in high school?
There may be a lot of movement with AA-AAA times from age 12 to 17, especially for boys and even in short distances! For girls there is not much movement between 13 and 17 in short distances, but they can also improve a lot when training for longer distances like 500/1000/1650FR.
Of course, you can't tell at 12 for sure if the child is destined to swim in college, but if your swimmer has at least 3 AA-AAA times, there is certainly the right skill level at 12 which he/she can develop into college cuts closer to 17, if there is a desire to continue training.
If the swim times are primarily B-BB at 12, I wouldn't bother continuing swimming past that age.
Anonymous
03/09/2019 23:38
Subject: % of college (swim) student-athletes who are full vs partial vs no scholarship?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah, they are hallucinating.
Yep. My 12yo daughter is on travel and school swim teams. Looking at the college placement of both teams last few years aligns with that link posted above; about 2-3 college swimmers out of 30 girls. But the college swimmers are swimming at mediocre D3 colleges, so no scholarships and no academic firepower. And these older girls were considered rockstars amongst this circle.
I also recall the rockstar girls and their parents making a big show about visiting prestigious schools and D1 programs...only for their daughters to end up at the mediocre D3s.
"School swim team" - what is that??? Serious swim teams are not "high school teams", but year-round clubs. Top clubs in PVS definitely have dozens of swimmers committing to good colleges annually. Also, 12y.o. is well too early to think about college.