Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 16:25     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:I always thought trump was redy for lil megs question about women. His timing was too spot on and it usually is not. It was a way to difuse his issues with women.

IIRC, in her book she originally stated that Donnie had in fact received the questions ahead of time.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 15:50     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

I always thought trump was redy for lil megs question about women. His timing was too spot on and it usually is not. It was a way to difuse his issues with women.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 14:31     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:You mean to tell me Fox KNEW our President of the United States wasn't a saint and no one told us?

Dude, Voters knew he wasn't close to a saint and STILL voted for him instead over HRC.

This is another political equivalent of watching a kitten play with a fluffy ball of yard for Trump haters.

No, Fox buried the truth. Fox is setting policy half the time. Fox uses gutter sources from conspiracy theorists.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 14:16     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

You mean to tell me Fox KNEW our President of the United States wasn't a saint and no one told us?

Dude, Voters knew he wasn't close to a saint and STILL voted for him instead over HRC.

This is another political equivalent of watching a kitten play with a fluffy ball of yard for Trump haters.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 14:15     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

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Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


People are historically ignorant.

Starting back at the time of the founding, the media was generally oriented towards one party or the other, and carried water for them too. It was with the advent of TV that the media pretended to be unbiased one way or the other.


Newspapers, but broadcast media was subject to different rules, and until Reagan dismantled it, the Fairness Doctrine and SDC guidelines left rails on journalists to have an air of impartiality. But are you trying to suggest that Walter Cronkite fed questions to Jimmy Carter? Or that Roone Arledge talked to Clinton on a nightly basis to affect hires and policy?


Strawman, though Cronkite was accused of a liberal bias.
FBI documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act by Yahoo news, evidence that legendary CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite collaborated with anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s, going so far as to offer advice on how to raise the public profile of protests and even promising that CBS News would rent a helicopter to take liberal Senator Edmund Muskie to and from the site of an anti-war rally.

Cronkite took other left-wing positions, such as supporting tax increases, supporting giving up U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations, wishing for a one-world government, supporting gun control, among other liberal positions.[11] During and following his anchorage tenure, Cronkite has placed a disproportionate amount of criticism towards Conservatives while aligning himself with liberal figures such as Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

All I am saying is that virtually our entire history, media has carried water for one party or the other.

People seemed surprised that this is the case.


There is a line between bias and propaganda. Personally I think fox has started to cross it. Every journalist is a person and they will have personal views that will inform how they communicate. That is human nature. And of course news sources have audiences they cater to. That is the nature of capitalism.

But Fox news has become the communications wing of the white house. Sean Hannity spoke at a Trump rally. He has done virtually all his interviews with them. He regularly retweets them, frequently the messages from the White House and Fox seem to be coordinated. More than frequently honestly almost all the time. That goes far beyond being right or left leaning. When a news station decides they want to be the personal communications wing of a singular politician, we're in trouble. And that is what is happening today.



You realize Sean Hannity is not a journalist... he is pundit... an entertainer ... and he would be the first to tell you this.

If we are going to talk about "crossing the line"...... how about the OVER 80 times Obama had MSNBC's Al Sharpton to the White House? Or that Obama spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network conference.


Al Sharpton has a nightly news program where he shoots off to the entire country? I didn't know that, what time? What day?

Oh wait he doesn't. Fox has straight propaganda from 8-11.


He doesn't any more, but he did when Obama was president..........

On August 29, 2011, Sharpton became the host of PoliticsNation, the MSNBC show which originally aired weeknights during the 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time hour.[6] In October 2015 the program was moved to Sunday mornings, one hour per week.[7] He continues to be a regular contributor to Morning Joe.

And, if we are talking propaganda..... the left has CNN, MSNBC all day, every day, and most network stations during their news hours.


PP I'm saying that fox news was NOT a propaganda arm when Obama was president, despite being extremely partisan. They have crossed the line from partisan to propaganda. They have become advocates of Trump and they literally coordinate their message.

MSNBC is left leaning, they report in a way that clearly is in favor of Democratic policies. They did NOT coordinate virtually all their news hours with the anchors. Obama did NOT regularly call into their morning programs. They DID NOT coordinate with campaigns to squash stories. There is a line there.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 14:07     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


People are historically ignorant.

Starting back at the time of the founding, the media was generally oriented towards one party or the other, and carried water for them too. It was with the advent of TV that the media pretended to be unbiased one way or the other.


Newspapers, but broadcast media was subject to different rules, and until Reagan dismantled it, the Fairness Doctrine and SDC guidelines left rails on journalists to have an air of impartiality. But are you trying to suggest that Walter Cronkite fed questions to Jimmy Carter? Or that Roone Arledge talked to Clinton on a nightly basis to affect hires and policy?


Strawman, though Cronkite was accused of a liberal bias.
FBI documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act by Yahoo news, evidence that legendary CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite collaborated with anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s, going so far as to offer advice on how to raise the public profile of protests and even promising that CBS News would rent a helicopter to take liberal Senator Edmund Muskie to and from the site of an anti-war rally.

Cronkite took other left-wing positions, such as supporting tax increases, supporting giving up U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations, wishing for a one-world government, supporting gun control, among other liberal positions.[11] During and following his anchorage tenure, Cronkite has placed a disproportionate amount of criticism towards Conservatives while aligning himself with liberal figures such as Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

All I am saying is that virtually our entire history, media has carried water for one party or the other.

People seemed surprised that this is the case.


There is a line between bias and propaganda. Personally I think fox has started to cross it. Every journalist is a person and they will have personal views that will inform how they communicate. That is human nature. And of course news sources have audiences they cater to. That is the nature of capitalism.

But Fox news has become the communications wing of the white house. Sean Hannity spoke at a Trump rally. He has done virtually all his interviews with them. He regularly retweets them, frequently the messages from the White House and Fox seem to be coordinated. More than frequently honestly almost all the time. That goes far beyond being right or left leaning. When a news station decides they want to be the personal communications wing of a singular politician, we're in trouble. And that is what is happening today.



You realize Sean Hannity is not a journalist... he is pundit... an entertainer ... and he would be the first to tell you this.

If we are going to talk about "crossing the line"...... how about the OVER 80 times Obama had MSNBC's Al Sharpton to the White House? Or that Obama spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network conference.


Al Sharpton has a nightly news program where he shoots off to the entire country? I didn't know that, what time? What day?

Oh wait he doesn't. Fox has straight propaganda from 8-11.


He doesn't any more, but he did when Obama was president..........

On August 29, 2011, Sharpton became the host of PoliticsNation, the MSNBC show which originally aired weeknights during the 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time hour.[6] In October 2015 the program was moved to Sunday mornings, one hour per week.[7] He continues to be a regular contributor to Morning Joe.

And, if we are talking propaganda..... the left has CNN, MSNBC all day, every day, and most network stations during their news hours.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 14:01     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


People are historically ignorant.

Starting back at the time of the founding, the media was generally oriented towards one party or the other, and carried water for them too. It was with the advent of TV that the media pretended to be unbiased one way or the other.


Newspapers, but broadcast media was subject to different rules, and until Reagan dismantled it, the Fairness Doctrine and SDC guidelines left rails on journalists to have an air of impartiality. But are you trying to suggest that Walter Cronkite fed questions to Jimmy Carter? Or that Roone Arledge talked to Clinton on a nightly basis to affect hires and policy?


Strawman, though Cronkite was accused of a liberal bias.
FBI documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act by Yahoo news, evidence that legendary CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite collaborated with anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s, going so far as to offer advice on how to raise the public profile of protests and even promising that CBS News would rent a helicopter to take liberal Senator Edmund Muskie to and from the site of an anti-war rally.

Cronkite took other left-wing positions, such as supporting tax increases, supporting giving up U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations, wishing for a one-world government, supporting gun control, among other liberal positions.[11] During and following his anchorage tenure, Cronkite has placed a disproportionate amount of criticism towards Conservatives while aligning himself with liberal figures such as Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

All I am saying is that virtually our entire history, media has carried water for one party or the other.

People seemed surprised that this is the case.


There is a line between bias and propaganda. Personally I think fox has started to cross it. Every journalist is a person and they will have personal views that will inform how they communicate. That is human nature. And of course news sources have audiences they cater to. That is the nature of capitalism.

But Fox news has become the communications wing of the white house. Sean Hannity spoke at a Trump rally. He has done virtually all his interviews with them. He regularly retweets them, frequently the messages from the White House and Fox seem to be coordinated. More than frequently honestly almost all the time. That goes far beyond being right or left leaning. When a news station decides they want to be the personal communications wing of a singular politician, we're in trouble. And that is what is happening today.



You realize Sean Hannity is not a journalist... he is pundit... an entertainer ... and he would be the first to tell you this.

If we are going to talk about "crossing the line"...... how about the OVER 80 times Obama had MSNBC's Al Sharpton to the White House? Or that Obama spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network conference.


Al Sharpton has a nightly news program where he shoots off to the entire country? I didn't know that, what time? What day?

Oh wait he doesn't. Fox has straight propaganda from 8-11.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:53     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


People are historically ignorant.

Starting back at the time of the founding, the media was generally oriented towards one party or the other, and carried water for them too. It was with the advent of TV that the media pretended to be unbiased one way or the other.


Newspapers, but broadcast media was subject to different rules, and until Reagan dismantled it, the Fairness Doctrine and SDC guidelines left rails on journalists to have an air of impartiality. But are you trying to suggest that Walter Cronkite fed questions to Jimmy Carter? Or that Roone Arledge talked to Clinton on a nightly basis to affect hires and policy?


Strawman, though Cronkite was accused of a liberal bias.
FBI documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act by Yahoo news, evidence that legendary CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite collaborated with anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s, going so far as to offer advice on how to raise the public profile of protests and even promising that CBS News would rent a helicopter to take liberal Senator Edmund Muskie to and from the site of an anti-war rally.

Cronkite took other left-wing positions, such as supporting tax increases, supporting giving up U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations, wishing for a one-world government, supporting gun control, among other liberal positions.[11] During and following his anchorage tenure, Cronkite has placed a disproportionate amount of criticism towards Conservatives while aligning himself with liberal figures such as Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

All I am saying is that virtually our entire history, media has carried water for one party or the other.

People seemed surprised that this is the case.


There is a line between bias and propaganda. Personally I think fox has started to cross it. Every journalist is a person and they will have personal views that will inform how they communicate. That is human nature. And of course news sources have audiences they cater to. That is the nature of capitalism.

But Fox news has become the communications wing of the white house. Sean Hannity spoke at a Trump rally. He has done virtually all his interviews with them. He regularly retweets them, frequently the messages from the White House and Fox seem to be coordinated. More than frequently honestly almost all the time. That goes far beyond being right or left leaning. When a news station decides they want to be the personal communications wing of a singular politician, we're in trouble. And that is what is happening today.



You realize Sean Hannity is not a journalist... he is pundit... an entertainer ... and he would be the first to tell you this.

If we are going to talk about "crossing the line"...... how about the OVER 80 times Obama had MSNBC's Al Sharpton to the White House? Or that Obama spoke at Sharpton's National Action Network conference.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:50     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Roger Ailes gives Trump debate questions in advance.

Fox editor buries Stormy Daniels story in 2016 that would've hurt Trump in the general, uses a nondisclosure as a shield to stop the reporter. T

his should should disqualify Fox News from hosting 2019-2020 debates.

I just listened to the whole article and am in total agreement.

Couple of other nuggets - Bill Shine is receiving millions from fox while in the White House, giant sale of Fox assets to Disney had smooth sailing despite legitimate monopoly concerns while AT&T/Time Warner and Sinclair/Tribune mergers hit snags. And Sean Hannity is the de facto chief of staff. And the sexual harassment issues at Fox were even worse than you imagined.

Nice summary
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:49     Subject: Re:Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Listened to Fox for over half an hour this afternoon to see if they would cover this. They haven’t so far and I couldn’t handle listening to more
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:46     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


People are historically ignorant.

Starting back at the time of the founding, the media was generally oriented towards one party or the other, and carried water for them too. It was with the advent of TV that the media pretended to be unbiased one way or the other.


Newspapers, but broadcast media was subject to different rules, and until Reagan dismantled it, the Fairness Doctrine and SDC guidelines left rails on journalists to have an air of impartiality. But are you trying to suggest that Walter Cronkite fed questions to Jimmy Carter? Or that Roone Arledge talked to Clinton on a nightly basis to affect hires and policy?


Strawman, though Cronkite was accused of a liberal bias.
FBI documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act by Yahoo news, evidence that legendary CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite collaborated with anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s, going so far as to offer advice on how to raise the public profile of protests and even promising that CBS News would rent a helicopter to take liberal Senator Edmund Muskie to and from the site of an anti-war rally.

Cronkite took other left-wing positions, such as supporting tax increases, supporting giving up U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations, wishing for a one-world government, supporting gun control, among other liberal positions.[11] During and following his anchorage tenure, Cronkite has placed a disproportionate amount of criticism towards Conservatives while aligning himself with liberal figures such as Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

All I am saying is that virtually our entire history, media has carried water for one party or the other.

People seemed surprised that this is the case.


There is a line between bias and propaganda. Personally I think fox has started to cross it. Every journalist is a person and they will have personal views that will inform how they communicate. That is human nature. And of course news sources have audiences they cater to. That is the nature of capitalism.

But Fox news has become the communications wing of the white house. Sean Hannity spoke at a Trump rally. He has done virtually all his interviews with them. He regularly retweets them, frequently the messages from the White House and Fox seem to be coordinated. More than frequently honestly almost all the time. That goes far beyond being right or left leaning. When a news station decides they want to be the personal communications wing of a singular politician, we're in trouble. And that is what is happening today.

Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:40     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


People are historically ignorant.

Starting back at the time of the founding, the media was generally oriented towards one party or the other, and carried water for them too. It was with the advent of TV that the media pretended to be unbiased one way or the other.


Newspapers, but broadcast media was subject to different rules, and until Reagan dismantled it, the Fairness Doctrine and SDC guidelines left rails on journalists to have an air of impartiality. But are you trying to suggest that Walter Cronkite fed questions to Jimmy Carter? Or that Roone Arledge talked to Clinton on a nightly basis to affect hires and policy?


Strawman, though Cronkite was accused of a liberal bias.
FBI documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act by Yahoo news, evidence that legendary CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite collaborated with anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s, going so far as to offer advice on how to raise the public profile of protests and even promising that CBS News would rent a helicopter to take liberal Senator Edmund Muskie to and from the site of an anti-war rally.

Cronkite took other left-wing positions, such as supporting tax increases, supporting giving up U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations, wishing for a one-world government, supporting gun control, among other liberal positions.[11] During and following his anchorage tenure, Cronkite has placed a disproportionate amount of criticism towards Conservatives while aligning himself with liberal figures such as Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

All I am saying is that virtually our entire history, media has carried water for one party or the other.

People seemed surprised that this is the case.

That’s a nice irrelevant story. Read the article. This is so much worse.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:11     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


People are historically ignorant.

Starting back at the time of the founding, the media was generally oriented towards one party or the other, and carried water for them too. It was with the advent of TV that the media pretended to be unbiased one way or the other.


Newspapers, but broadcast media was subject to different rules, and until Reagan dismantled it, the Fairness Doctrine and SDC guidelines left rails on journalists to have an air of impartiality. But are you trying to suggest that Walter Cronkite fed questions to Jimmy Carter? Or that Roone Arledge talked to Clinton on a nightly basis to affect hires and policy?


Strawman, though Cronkite was accused of a liberal bias.
FBI documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act by Yahoo news, evidence that legendary CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite collaborated with anti-Vietnam War activists in the 1960s, going so far as to offer advice on how to raise the public profile of protests and even promising that CBS News would rent a helicopter to take liberal Senator Edmund Muskie to and from the site of an anti-war rally.

Cronkite took other left-wing positions, such as supporting tax increases, supporting giving up U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations, wishing for a one-world government, supporting gun control, among other liberal positions.[11] During and following his anchorage tenure, Cronkite has placed a disproportionate amount of criticism towards Conservatives while aligning himself with liberal figures such as Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

All I am saying is that virtually our entire history, media has carried water for one party or the other.

People seemed surprised that this is the case.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:09     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key point of that article is this quote: “Fox is no longer conservative—it’s anti-democratic.”

I have no idea of the way out, but it is fundamentally un-American for an entertainment company to be setting policy.


NBC, CBS, and ABC have been doing this for years and years. Get real.

Think of all the Clinton stories they squashed.


Or all Obama's stories they ignored -- 4 million immigrants deported, they could have run 2,000 crying human stories a day.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2019 13:01     Subject: Hillary and the pre-debate questions

Anonymous wrote:Roger Ailes gives Trump debate questions in advance.

Fox editor buries Stormy Daniels story in 2016 that would've hurt Trump in the general, uses a nondisclosure as a shield to stop the reporter. T

his should should disqualify Fox News from hosting 2019-2020 debates.

I just listened to the whole article and am in total agreement.

Couple of other nuggets - Bill Shine is receiving millions from fox while in the White House, giant sale of Fox assets to Disney had smooth sailing despite legitimate monopoly concerns while AT&T/Time Warner and Sinclair/Tribune mergers hit snags. And Sean Hannity is the de facto chief of staff. And the sexual harassment issues at Fox were even worse than you imagined.