Why in the world would anyone pay private school prices if they know they are going to graduate school? Waste of money

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

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My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

I’m a different poster, but I understand why the earlier poster said it wasn’t a liberal arts college, although of course it is. We did a tour last year of a number of liberal arts colleges, which included Denison. The admissions overview was very different from those of the other liberal arts colleges we visited. It definitely had a lee-professional bent with a presentation that focused heavily on “outcomes” - this is how much money you’ll make, this is where you’ll work, but no talk about their learning philosophy as a liberal arts college. It was a turn off for us, but it may strike the right notes for other people.
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Sorry, but when there are Harvard grads that are unemployed, you bet your butt I want to know outcomes of every college. If college tuition is going to inflate to sky high numbers, there is no “time to get to know you” phase, even in a CTCL school. If you are unsure what you want to do or where you want to be, you go to community college.

Well, actually my daughter wants to go to grad school and get her PhD. She's very clear about what she wants. Since Denison's presentation focused more on career placement than graduate placement, that was a turn off for us. No need to be rude.

graduate school placement

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

I’m a different poster, but I understand why the earlier poster said it wasn’t a liberal arts college, although of course it is. We did a tour last year of a number of liberal arts colleges, which included Denison. The admissions overview was very different from those of the other liberal arts colleges we visited. It definitely had a lee-professional bent with a presentation that focused heavily on “outcomes” - this is how much money you’ll make, this is where you’ll work, but no talk about their learning philosophy as a liberal arts college. It was a turn off for us, but it may strike the right notes for other people.
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Sorry, but when there are Harvard grads that are unemployed, you bet your butt I want to know outcomes of every college. If college tuition is going to inflate to sky high numbers, there is no “time to get to know you” phase, even in a CTCL school. If you are unsure what you want to do or where you want to be, you go to community college.

Well, actually my daughter wants to go to grad school and get her PhD. She's very clear about what she wants. Since Denison's presentation focused more on career placement than graduate placement, that was a turn off for us. No need to be rude.

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

I’m a different poster, but I understand why the earlier poster said it wasn’t a liberal arts college, although of course it is. We did a tour last year of a number of liberal arts colleges, which included Denison. The admissions overview was very different from those of the other liberal arts colleges we visited. It definitely had a lee-professional bent with a presentation that focused heavily on “outcomes” - this is how much money you’ll make, this is where you’ll work, but no talk about their learning philosophy as a liberal arts college. It was a turn off for us, but it may strike the right notes for other people.
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Sorry, but when there are Harvard grads that are unemployed, you bet your butt I want to know outcomes of every college. If college tuition is going to inflate to sky high numbers, there is no “time to get to know you” phase, even in a CTCL school. If you are unsure what you want to do or where you want to be, you go to community college.

Anonymous wrote:But Denison isn’t a CTCL school.

anyone have anything back on that topic?

Ugh - do your homework, twit

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

I’m a different poster, but I understand why the earlier poster said it wasn’t a liberal arts college, although of course it is. We did a tour last year of a number of liberal arts colleges, which included Denison. The admissions overview was very different from those of the other liberal arts colleges we visited. It definitely had a lee-professional bent with a presentation that focused heavily on “outcomes” - this is how much money you’ll make, this is where you’ll work, but no talk about their learning philosophy as a liberal arts college. It was a turn off for us, but it may strike the right notes for other people.
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That is a positive for many of us. When these colleges are charging the equivalent of a new luxury vehicle each year for four years, you'd bet your bottom dollar I want to hear about outcomes.

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From Denison's website: "In the 21st century, college career centers should help students land their first job, and prepare them for their second, third, and fourth positions, as well. Denison’s Knowlton Center for Career Exploration collaborates with our students to start thinking about their lives after graduation as early as their first year on campus.

The Knowlton Center team works with faculty members across the entire campus to help Denison students answer three pivotal questions:

What kind of life do I want to lead?
How do careers and professions fit into those lives?
How do I use my time in college to develop the skills, values, habits, experiences and networks to get started?"

To me, this is a positive.

Anonymous wrote:But Denison isn’t a CTCL school.

anyone have anything back on that topic?

Denison is a CTCL school.

https://ctcl.org/denison-university/

But Denison isn’t a CTCL school.

anyone have anything back on that topic?

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

I’m a different poster, but I understand why the earlier poster said it wasn’t a liberal arts college, although of course it is. We did a tour last year of a number of liberal arts colleges, which included Denison. The admissions overview was very different from those of the other liberal arts colleges we visited. It definitely had a lee-professional bent with a presentation that focused heavily on “outcomes” - this is how much money you’ll make, this is where you’ll work, but no talk about their learning philosophy as a liberal arts college. It was a turn off for us, but it may strike the right notes for other people.
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It is true that the school places a lot of emphasis on post-graduation plans. Indeed, the (excellent) President, Adam Weinberg, commented that Denison students are looking ahead to the next phase of life from the moment they set foot on campus as freshmen. Their career center is *excellent* - well-staffed, well-funded, responsive, just what students need to chart their course. To me, that is a huge positive.

https://denison.edu/news-events/featured/66452

None of that takes away from the fact that it is, in fact, a liberal arts college.

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

I’m a different poster, but I understand why the earlier poster said it wasn’t a liberal arts college, although of course it is. We did a tour last year of a number of liberal arts colleges, which included Denison. The admissions overview was very different from those of the other liberal arts colleges we visited. It definitely had a lee-professional bent with a presentation that focused heavily on “outcomes” - this is how much money you’ll make, this is where you’ll work, but no talk about their learning philosophy as a liberal arts college. It was a turn off for us, but it may strike the right notes for other people.
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That is a positive for many of us. When these colleges are charging the equivalent of a new luxury vehicle each year for four years, you'd bet your bottom dollar I want to hear about outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

I’m a different poster, but I understand why the earlier poster said it wasn’t a liberal arts college, although of course it is. We did a tour last year of a number of liberal arts colleges, which included Denison. The admissions overview was very different from those of the other liberal arts colleges we visited. It definitely had a lee-professional bent with a presentation that focused heavily on “outcomes” - this is how much money you’ll make, this is where you’ll work, but no talk about their learning philosophy as a liberal arts college. It was a turn off for us, but it may strike the right notes for other people.
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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

Can you please share your thoughts on Denison and why do not consider it a liberal arts college ?

Thanks

My DC is at Denison and I assure you that it is a liberal arts college. It does have a professional focus and some of its majors reflect that. Also, its career center is very active and well-funded, thanks to a big grant it received several years ago.

All that said - it is a liberal arts college.

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Anonymous wrote:I would check out Denison and Wooster

Denison is a great school but quite different. it is good to compare but DU isn’t a liberal arts college, and it is significantly larger.

DU is a liberal arts college, is a half-hour from Ohio Wesleyan, and has a robust endowment.

Wooster is also relatively close by, and is a great school.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the meaning of the size of the endowment for students? I am new to this.

It's how much endowment money there is per student. For instance, Georgetown has an endowment over a billion but around 100,000 per student, whereas Williams also has an endowment over a billion and has a 1,000,000 in endowment per student. Assuming a school spends 5% of their endowment a year Williams is spending 50,000 per student vs. 5,000 a student for Georgetown. It really shows what schools have resources besides tuition money. Here's a helpful link, though it only shows private schools:

https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent

NP -- an addendum to clarify further. Any 501c3 (which virtually all colleges and universities are) are required to spend a minimu of 5% of their endowment each year on mission related activities. There are no reqirements where that fundong needs to go and it can change each year.

So schools with higher endowments tend to have nicer facilities, updated dorms, support for more off campus experiences -- such as subsidized student research opportunities.

You can find rankings of universities by endowment per student is you want to evaluate that way.

But money isn't everything. DC really liked Beloit and was offered a significant merit scholarship. When we visited, you could see a difference in the campus compared to some of the more well-endowed schools -- less updated dorms, a more dated student union -- but that didn't both them, and the 2 classes they sat in on were led by engaging and thoughtful faculty.

Earlham is in a bit of turmoil right now.