Anonymous
03/04/2019 12:13
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Posted numbers like these I fail to take at face value. I'm not saying there is purposeful manipulation, but the numbers just don't seem to add up. If you look at the SAT for example, the 98th SAT user percentile currently posted for the math section is 770. 2.1M students took the SAT last year. So then only 42K students scored 770 or higher on this section. Yet almost all of the schools listed claim that 25% of the enrolled class scored at or above this number. And many top schools are not even on this list. And you have to account for those attending lower ranked schools for financial reasons. It just seems like there aren't enough high scoring kids to go around for all these schools to have such high reported stats. UVA, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan, for example, have very large classes. I would take these numbers with a grain of salt.
Completely agree. We were are Northwestern and the admissions officer said that 25% of the admitted class had over a 35 on the ACT (thus being a 36). Which would mean that pretty much every kid that got a 36 enrolled at NW.
It means 35 or higher, sweetheart!!
for instance, the 76th-98th percentile might have a 35, while the top 2 percent have a 36.
Over a 35, would mean 36 sweetheart. Regardless, even at 35, the math doesn't work. Good try though!
Wow, if this is true, that would mean over 800 students admitted to Northwestern had a 36 ACT, or about a quarter of all kids getting a 36 on the ACT worldwide. Sounds like a bit of a stretch. Would that many even apply to Northwestern?
Signed, parent of a kid who got a 36 but did not apply to Northwestern
Not every kid who applies to Northwestern takes both the SAT and ACT, or if they do they don't submit both scores. You need to go into the CDS and see the percentages for each.
Anonymous
03/04/2019 11:58
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Posted numbers like these I fail to take at face value. I'm not saying there is purposeful manipulation, but the numbers just don't seem to add up. If you look at the SAT for example, the 98th SAT user percentile currently posted for the math section is 770. 2.1M students took the SAT last year. So then only 42K students scored 770 or higher on this section. Yet almost all of the schools listed claim that 25% of the enrolled class scored at or above this number. And many top schools are not even on this list. And you have to account for those attending lower ranked schools for financial reasons. It just seems like there aren't enough high scoring kids to go around for all these schools to have such high reported stats. UVA, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan, for example, have very large classes. I would take these numbers with a grain of salt.
Completely agree. We were are Northwestern and the admissions officer said that 25% of the admitted class had over a 35 on the ACT (thus being a 36). Which would mean that pretty much every kid that got a 36 enrolled at NW.
It means 35 or higher, sweetheart!!
for instance, the 76th-98th percentile might have a 35, while the top 2 percent have a 36.
Over a 35, would mean 36 sweetheart. Regardless, even at 35, the math doesn't work. Good try though!
Wow, if this is true, that would mean over 800 students admitted to Northwestern had a 36 ACT, or about a quarter of all kids getting a 36 on the ACT worldwide. Sounds like a bit of a stretch. Would that many even apply to Northwestern?
Signed, parent of a kid who got a 36 but did not apply to Northwestern
The math still doesn't work, but the percent with a 36 superscore is far higher. No one takes it again after getting a 36, and at least some of those getting a 36 didn't on the first try. So probably closer to 3% apply with a 36, I would bet.
Anonymous
03/04/2019 11:49
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Posted numbers like these I fail to take at face value. I'm not saying there is purposeful manipulation, but the numbers just don't seem to add up. If you look at the SAT for example, the 98th SAT user percentile currently posted for the math section is 770. 2.1M students took the SAT last year. So then only 42K students scored 770 or higher on this section. Yet almost all of the schools listed claim that 25% of the enrolled class scored at or above this number. And many top schools are not even on this list. And you have to account for those attending lower ranked schools for financial reasons. It just seems like there aren't enough high scoring kids to go around for all these schools to have such high reported stats. UVA, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan, for example, have very large classes. I would take these numbers with a grain of salt.
Completely agree. We were are Northwestern and the admissions officer said that 25% of the admitted class had over a 35 on the ACT (thus being a 36). Which would mean that pretty much every kid that got a 36 enrolled at NW.
It means 35 or higher, sweetheart!!
for instance, the 76th-98th percentile might have a 35, while the top 2 percent have a 36.
Over a 35, would mean 36 sweetheart. Regardless, even at 35, the math doesn't work. Good try though!
Wow, if this is true, that would mean over 800 students admitted to Northwestern had a 36 ACT, or about a quarter of all kids getting a 36 on the ACT worldwide. Sounds like a bit of a stretch. Would that many even apply to Northwestern?
Signed, parent of a kid who got a 36 but did not apply to Northwestern
Anonymous
03/04/2019 11:23
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Posted numbers like these I fail to take at face value. I'm not saying there is purposeful manipulation, but the numbers just don't seem to add up. If you look at the SAT for example, the 98th SAT user percentile currently posted for the math section is 770. 2.1M students took the SAT last year. So then only 42K students scored 770 or higher on this section. Yet almost all of the schools listed claim that 25% of the enrolled class scored at or above this number. And many top schools are not even on this list. And you have to account for those attending lower ranked schools for financial reasons. It just seems like there aren't enough high scoring kids to go around for all these schools to have such high reported stats. UVA, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan, for example, have very large classes. I would take these numbers with a grain of salt.
Completely agree. We were are Northwestern and the admissions officer said that 25% of the admitted class had over a 35 on the ACT (thus being a 36). Which would mean that pretty much every kid that got a 36 enrolled at NW.
It means 35 or higher, sweetheart!!
for instance, the 76th-98th percentile might have a 35, while the top 2 percent have a 36.
Over a 35, would mean 36 sweetheart. Regardless, even at 35, the math doesn't work. Good try though!
Anonymous
03/04/2019 09:11
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
2018 ACT takers:
Score # of Students Percentage of All Test Takers
36 3,741 0.195%
35 14,928 0.780%
34 21,836 1.140%
33 26,930 1.406%
Source: ACT.org
Score # of Students Percentage of All Test Takers
36 3,741 0.195%
35 14,928 0.780%
34 21,836 1.140%
33 26,930 1.406%
Source: ACT.org
Anonymous
03/04/2019 09:09
Subject: Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Super scoring is one thing that makes these numbers unnaturally high.
Not all schools super score. Notre Dame only started super scoring for class of 2023 admission season, so those numbers are pretty solid.
You mean schools that super score are putting down the super scored scores but schools that don't super score are putting down non-super scored scores? I find it hard to believe that they haven't somehow adjusted for this difference in policy.
No one polices the common data sets. Different schools indeed can - and do - decide whether to report super scores there or not, the same way that some report GPas and others don’t.
I'm not sure what this would mean. CDS for SAT includes the middle 50% for Math and for ERBW. They do not report the composite, which they do report for ACT. So, how would they report a superscore?
It means the reported CDS SAT stats for any school are the students superscore, rather than what a student may have done in one sitting. I do not think that superscores are any more or less valid, but you should assume that the verbal and math scores report for any school that does superscore use that data.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 22:28
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Posted numbers like these I fail to take at face value. I'm not saying there is purposeful manipulation, but the numbers just don't seem to add up. If you look at the SAT for example, the 98th SAT user percentile currently posted for the math section is 770. 2.1M students took the SAT last year. So then only 42K students scored 770 or higher on this section. Yet almost all of the schools listed claim that 25% of the enrolled class scored at or above this number. And many top schools are not even on this list. And you have to account for those attending lower ranked schools for financial reasons. It just seems like there aren't enough high scoring kids to go around for all these schools to have such high reported stats. UVA, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan, for example, have very large classes. I would take these numbers with a grain of salt.
Completely agree. We were are Northwestern and the admissions officer said that 25% of the admitted class had over a 35 on the ACT (thus being a 36). Which would mean that pretty much every kid that got a 36 enrolled at NW.
It means 35 or higher, sweetheart!!
for instance, the 76th-98th percentile might have a 35, while the top 2 percent have a 36.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 20:34
Subject: Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Super scoring is one thing that makes these numbers unnaturally high.
Not all schools super score. Notre Dame only started super scoring for class of 2023 admission season, so those numbers are pretty solid.
You mean schools that super score are putting down the super scored scores but schools that don't super score are putting down non-super scored scores? I find it hard to believe that they haven't somehow adjusted for this difference in policy.
No one polices the common data sets. Different schools indeed can - and do - decide whether to report super scores there or not, the same way that some report GPas and others don’t.
I'm not sure what this would mean. CDS for SAT includes the middle 50% for Math and for ERBW. They do not report the composite, which they do report for ACT. So, how would they report a superscore?
Anonymous
03/03/2019 20:14
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here are some I compiled from the CDS (so these are for enrolled students- admitted students generally have a higher profile):
For the LACs, ED helps SO much. I wonder what percent receive aid who apply early. Not many people have the option to not compare aid packages.
Most are athletes or legacies. It's basically a small chunk of the ED pool having a 100% acceptance rate while non-hooked ED applicants have a considerably smaller acceptance rate. For instance, Williams took 250 ED students out of 715 applicants, and ~150 of them were athletes. So if we take that out, you get 100 non-athletes admitted out of 565 non-athlete applicants, which is 18%. Of course every school has that factor in early decision or action, but for LACs it gets magnified given how high a chunk of ED admits are athletes.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 19:26
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Posted numbers like these I fail to take at face value. I'm not saying there is purposeful manipulation, but the numbers just don't seem to add up. If you look at the SAT for example, the 98th SAT user percentile currently posted for the math section is 770. 2.1M students took the SAT last year. So then only 42K students scored 770 or higher on this section. Yet almost all of the schools listed claim that 25% of the enrolled class scored at or above this number. And many top schools are not even on this list. And you have to account for those attending lower ranked schools for financial reasons. It just seems like there aren't enough high scoring kids to go around for all these schools to have such high reported stats. UVA, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan, for example, have very large classes. I would take these numbers with a grain of salt.
Completely agree. We were are Northwestern and the admissions officer said that 25% of the admitted class had over a 35 on the ACT (thus being a 36). Which would mean that pretty much every kid that got a 36 enrolled at NW.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 19:01
Subject: Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Super scoring is one thing that makes these numbers unnaturally high.
Not all schools super score. Notre Dame only started super scoring for class of 2023 admission season, so those numbers are pretty solid.
You mean schools that super score are putting down the super scored scores but schools that don't super score are putting down non-super scored scores? I find it hard to believe that they haven't somehow adjusted for this difference in policy.
No one polices the common data sets. Different schools indeed can - and do - decide whether to report super scores there or not, the same way that some report GPas and others don’t.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 18:43
Subject: Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Super scoring is one thing that makes these numbers unnaturally high.
Not all schools super score. Notre Dame only started super scoring for class of 2023 admission season, so those numbers are pretty solid.
You mean schools that super score are putting down the super scored scores but schools that don't super score are putting down non-super scored scores? I find it hard to believe that they haven't somehow adjusted for this difference in policy.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 18:29
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:I believe the ranges are for the 25th to 75th percentiles of admitted students.
You can't compare these ranges to scores on prior versions of the SAT. They've been rescaled repeatedly to increase the scores.
THis is not accurate. They are now re-normed regularly and they move up and down. Decades ago norming procedures were less refined so you'd have big shifts.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 18:09
Subject: Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Super scoring is one thing that makes these numbers unnaturally high.
Not all schools super score. Notre Dame only started super scoring for class of 2023 admission season, so those numbers are pretty solid.
Anonymous
03/03/2019 17:55
Subject: Re:Class of 2022 Stats
Anonymous wrote:Posted numbers like these I fail to take at face value. I'm not saying there is purposeful manipulation, but the numbers just don't seem to add up. If you look at the SAT for example, the 98th SAT user percentile currently posted for the math section is 770. 2.1M students took the SAT last year. So then only 42K students scored 770 or higher on this section. Yet almost all of the schools listed claim that 25% of the enrolled class scored at or above this number. And many top schools are not even on this list. And you have to account for those attending lower ranked schools for financial reasons. It just seems like there aren't enough high scoring kids to go around for all these schools to have such high reported stats. UVA, Berkeley, UCLA and Michigan, for example, have very large classes. I would take these numbers with a grain of salt.
The data these stats come from are more likely 2017 - students at these schools are not waiting until spring of 12th to take the SAT. 1.8M took it that year.
Also the student body at all these SLACs is really slow. There aren’t more than 500 students in each class at most of them.