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Post 02/21/2019 13:24     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
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Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.


Different people have different opinions and place priorities on different things. Some people do see some problems when a school is not diverse enough. There are some schools that don't have any diversity - as a result or as a goal.


I see no problem for parents wanting to choose a school with more or less diversity. However, trying to make a school more or less diverse, is not the same thing.


Depends on the diversity, and the reason, eh?


Doesn't matter at all. That is purely personal choice. I do not need to know why other people make those personal choices, even if their reasons were evil.

Trying to shape a school, is not a personal choice, and that matters. My opinion on that is, do NOT deliberately make schools more or less diverse, and do not use "diversity" as a criteria to judge schools.


But when all the minority majority schools consistently score at the bottom of just about every objective criteria, where do we go from there? Why does inclusion always correspond to a lowering of standards? Until that is truly addressed it is neaive to not expect pushback no matter the fervor of the kumbaya mandate. While easy to label it racism, one might find some benefit to taking a step back and analyzing the dominant party’s struggle to propagate that privilege/dominance. At the very least learning more about the actual mechanics could both assist with emulation and elimination.


What the hell does this mean?


DP. It means that it's the poor people's responsibility to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps by being more like rich people. I think. That's what the "Something something kumbaya something something" post usually mean.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 13:19     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
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Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.


Different people have different opinions and place priorities on different things. Some people do see some problems when a school is not diverse enough. There are some schools that don't have any diversity - as a result or as a goal.


I see no problem for parents wanting to choose a school with more or less diversity. However, trying to make a school more or less diverse, is not the same thing.


Depends on the diversity, and the reason, eh?


Doesn't matter at all. That is purely personal choice. I do not need to know why other people make those personal choices, even if their reasons were evil.

Trying to shape a school, is not a personal choice, and that matters. My opinion on that is, do NOT deliberately make schools more or less diverse, and do not use "diversity" as a criteria to judge schools.


But when all the minority majority schools consistently score at the bottom of just about every objective criteria, where do we go from there? Why does inclusion always correspond to a lowering of standards? Until that is truly addressed it is neaive to not expect pushback no matter the fervor of the kumbaya mandate. While easy to label it racism, one might find some benefit to taking a step back and analyzing the dominant party’s struggle to propagate that privilege/dominance. At the very least learning more about the actual mechanics could both assist with emulation and elimination.


What the hell does this mean?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 13:18     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
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Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.


Different people have different opinions and place priorities on different things. Some people do see some problems when a school is not diverse enough. There are some schools that don't have any diversity - as a result or as a goal.


I see no problem for parents wanting to choose a school with more or less diversity. However, trying to make a school more or less diverse, is not the same thing.


Depends on the diversity, and the reason, eh?


Doesn't matter at all. That is purely personal choice. I do not need to know why other people make those personal choices, even if their reasons were evil.

Trying to shape a school, is not a personal choice, and that matters. My opinion on that is, do NOT deliberately make schools more or less diverse, and do not use "diversity" as a criteria to judge schools.


But when all the minority majority schools consistently score at the bottom of just about every objective criteria, where do we go from there? Why does inclusion always correspond to a lowering of standards? Until that is truly addressed it is neaive to not expect pushback no matter the fervor of the kumbaya mandate. While easy to label it racism, one might find some benefit to taking a step back and analyzing the dominant party’s struggle to propagate that privilege/dominance. At the very least learning more about the actual mechanics could both assist with emulation and elimination.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 12:51     Subject: Re:Hypocrisy about diverse schools
I love diversity such as Foreign wealth, political wealth, contracting wealth, medical wealth or even law wealth. That said I don’t very much care for poor people who typically don’t do well in affluent environments where their nose is rubbed in how much they don’t have 24/7.

Same reasons I don’t like working with stupid people, playing sports with fat people, dating ugly people or drinking with sober people. They have very little to offer the situation
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 12:05     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
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Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.


Different people have different opinions and place priorities on different things. Some people do see some problems when a school is not diverse enough. There are some schools that don't have any diversity - as a result or as a goal.


I see no problem for parents wanting to choose a school with more or less diversity. However, trying to make a school more or less diverse, is not the same thing.


Depends on the diversity, and the reason, eh?


Doesn't matter at all. That is purely personal choice. I do not need to know why other people make those personal choices, even if their reasons were evil.

Trying to shape a school, is not a personal choice, and that matters. My opinion on that is, do NOT deliberately make schools more or less diverse, and do not use "diversity" as a criteria to judge schools.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 11:56     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
We value diversity and picked a racially diverse school. We are not white. We are also not wealthy.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 11:49     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
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Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.


Different people have different opinions and place priorities on different things. Some people do see some problems when a school is not diverse enough. There are some schools that don't have any diversity - as a result or as a goal.


I see no problem for parents wanting to choose a school with more or less diversity. However, trying to make a school more or less diverse, is not the same thing.


Depends on the diversity, and the reason, eh?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 11:44     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
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Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.


Different people have different opinions and place priorities on different things. Some people do see some problems when a school is not diverse enough. There are some schools that don't have any diversity - as a result or as a goal.


I see no problem for parents wanting to choose a school with more or less diversity. However, trying to make a school more or less diverse, is not the same thing.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 11:07     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Local couple at church were recently bragging about 30 percent minority at their high school so I asked their son how he related to black students in his classes. You would have thought I'd insulted him. "I'm in all AP and honors classes. There aren't any black students." Also, he informed me that the best teachers would leave the school if they had to teach those students.



You're not in MCPS, are you? The whitest high school in MCPS (Whitman) is 1/3 non-white - and nobody, as far as I know, brags about the high percentage of non-white students at Whitman.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 11:01     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Local couple at church were recently bragging about 30 percent minority at their high school so I asked their son how he related to black students in his classes. You would have thought I'd insulted him. "I'm in all AP and honors classes. There aren't any black students." Also, he informed me that the best teachers would leave the school if they had to teach those students.


How does one "relate" to a person of a different race just because of race? This is a weird question, IMO. How do any kids "relate" to each other in class? My kids don't "relate" to all kids of their own race. They relate to kids of all different races and backgrounds who are their friends, be it income, single parent, gay parents, religion, etc...
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 10:58     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.


Different people have different opinions and place priorities on different things. Some people do see some problems when a school is not diverse enough. There are some schools that don't have any diversity - as a result or as a goal.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 10:57     Subject: Re:Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Look here is the truth

People want a school with that doesn't have a ton of problems and has a chunk of highly motivated educated kids

and like it or not SES is a shorthand proxy for that

even if you are at a diverse school stereotypically the advanced classes are going to be predominantly white, asian, and african and more affluent

are these stereotypes yes, are they a shorthand for analyzing schools yes, are they generally true yes
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 10:57     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Local couple at church were recently bragging about 30 percent minority at their high school so I asked their son how he related to black students in his classes. You would have thought I'd insulted him. "I'm in all AP and honors classes. There aren't any black students." Also, he informed me that the best teachers would leave the school if they had to teach those students.

Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 10:54     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
I agree that this is sickening. People on this site are constantly calling out "racists" but few of them would invite a POC into their home unless they were wealthy and would run in horror from any neighborhood with more than a token amount of diversity. I'm white and wealthy and I'm disgusted by the overt racism exhibited around me.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2019 10:50     Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
People are making too much a deal on the so-called "diversity". Diversity is a result, not a goal. As long as a school does not have any policy or practice that directly favors a certain (ethnic/income level etc.) group, I do not see a problem even if the end result is a "non-diverse" school.