It's shocking to me that there are still parts of the country where unaltered stray dogs are still an issue but my understanding is that they bring the rescue dogs up from the South where that sort of thing still happens, so you don't NEED to use a breeder to get a young dog if that's what you want.

But I don't care if people use good breeders. The idea is that we "rescue" ourselves out of the adoption business, right? It's not like there's some wilderness where the cute rescue puppies are growing wild. They exist because someone was a shitty dog owner. As soon as there are more people who want dogs than dogs who need rescuing, we will need to have the breeders around or we'll just be incentivizing people to breed "rescues."

Plus, I don't really get the dog show thing but if that's someone's jam, breeders are how you do that, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Op here: the breeders I am looking at raise the dogs in their own home, test strictly for genetics and hips and diseases and breed for temperament, run all kinds of hereditary disease testing - ask potential buyers lots of questions and won’t even sell to just anyone bc they love their puppies so much

Breeders like this do exist. It just takes time and it’s not the cheapest. But in the long run a healthy dog is MUCH cheaper than one with problems. I bought from a breeder and the dog has never had a health problem.

This describes our breeder. Three years later, we still get occasional texts from us asking how our dog is and for pictures. Judging from her house (either she’s independently wealthy or has a wealthy spouse) she doesn’t earn her livelihood from breeding, she does it because it’s her passion.

Get the message. Stop buying dogs. Breeding is wrong, like a lot of other things that you know are wrong! Get on a rescue site. Get on a shelter site. Dogs are killed daily due to a lack of space, and one of the reasons is the breeding of dogs for sale.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I don't know or care where your dog came from or how you obtained it. All I care about is that you are responsible enough to provide it with training, supervision, healthcare, food and shelter. As long as you and your dog are happy and healthy and don't present a danger to the rest of the population, all is well.

Personally how I take care of my dog and where I got it from is my business not yours. MYOB

Nah, see, there are laws that dictate how you take care of your animals. If I see you violating that minimal standard, It is my business.

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I don't know or care where your dog came from or how you obtained it. All I care about is that you are responsible enough to provide it with training, supervision, healthcare, food and shelter. As long as you and your dog are happy and healthy and don't present a danger to the rest of the population, all is well.

Personally how I take care of my dog and where I got it from is my business not yours. MYOB

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I don't know or care where your dog came from or how you obtained it. All I care about is that you are responsible enough to provide it with training, supervision, healthcare, food and shelter. As long as you and your dog are happy and healthy and don't present a danger to the rest of the population, all is well.

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Personally, I don't know or care where your dog came from or how you obtained it. All I care about is that you are responsible enough to provide it with training, supervision, healthcare, food and shelter. As long as you and your dog are happy and healthy and don't present a danger to the rest of the population, all is well.

Anonymous wrote:Op here: the breeders I am looking at raise the dogs in their own home, test strictly for genetics and hips and diseases and breed for temperament, run all kinds of hereditary disease testing - ask potential buyers lots of questions and won’t even sell to just anyone bc they love their puppies so much

Breeders like this do exist. It just takes time and it’s not the cheapest. But in the long run a healthy dog is MUCH cheaper than one with problems. I bought from a breeder and the dog has never had a health problem.

OP you can see how people feel on this site. Adopt a used dog from a shelter and take on all its problems: virtue signal
I’ve had dogs all my life and what I’ve learned is you get what you pay for in dogs.
Real legitimate breeders work hard to provide a healthy genetically tested dog without health or mental problems. They take this very seriously. It’s a big commitment to own a dog and one with health problems costs much more than buying from a legitimate breeder. But you are not going to hear about that on DCUM.
If you are seriously looking for a put bred puppy contact the ACC. They will provide you with legitimate information. If you are looking for a specific (or popular) breed you won’t find it in a shelter.

Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

Personally I don't think supporting puppy mills through rescue is so awesome, but you do do.

Op here: the breeders I am looking at raise the dogs in their own home, test strictly for genetics and hips and diseases and breed for temperament, run all kinds of hereditary disease testing - ask potential buyers lots of questions and won’t even sell to just anyone bc they love their puppies so much

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Anonymous wrote:Because most people who use breeders seem to be prioritizing vanity/status in lieu of actually saving an animal.

No, we just don’t want a pit bull or a pit mix.

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Huh? There are rescue orgs for just about every breed out there. There are many many rescue options outside of county shelters. I'm sure you already knew this though.

Virtue signaling. People believe they are superior humans for adopting, and enjoy shaming others who don’t do the same.

Anonymous wrote:Like you can’t even get answers to questions without people totally ignoring your question and lecturing for getting a puppy through a breeder?

You won't get a lecture from me. You're the one who has to live with it, so buy the breed you want and from where you want to get it from.

How is an indoor cat bad for the environment?

They consume very little and do not kill birds etc