Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of when I lived in India. The poor and rich were said to have sex like bunnies and the middle class has sexual issues.
The logic was that poor people had nothing better to do and the rich didn’t care. Only the middle class was caught up in climbing the social ladder.

I don’t think you know much about India.....

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There are many things wrong with communist governance, but they were ahead of times in regard to women’s rights. (Not perfect by any means, but certainly better than their neighbors.)

Please do tell how communist countries were 'ahead of times in regard to women's rights comparing to their neighbors.'

I am from Ukraine and would be genuinely curious.

Reminds me of when I lived in India. The poor and rich were said to have sex like bunnies and the middle class has sexual issues.
The logic was that poor people had nothing better to do and the rich didn’t care. Only the middle class was caught up in climbing the social ladder.

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Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

THIS--more leisure time. People worked, but didn't make much effort....you were still getting paid doing bare minimum. My single mom could take the whole summer off to do whatever and she had a pretty kicking dating life. I was shipped to like three different summer camps and to relatives living in the country and was gone the whole summer. Married couples did same, so everyone had time to screw around in the former USSR. None of my relatives were slaving away on the assembly lines in some factory, all were educated office workers or worked in high-end retail.

Pp, what was considered the “high end retail” ?

Anonymous wrote:Methinks this has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with Eastern European cultures that do not stigmatize sex the way others do, relatively speaking.

The author has an agenda.

I am Eastern European and this is very true.

Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

THIS--more leisure time. People worked, but didn't make much effort....you were still getting paid doing bare minimum. My single mom could take the whole summer off to do whatever and she had a pretty kicking dating life. I was shipped to like three different summer camps and to relatives living in the country and was gone the whole summer. Married couples did same, so everyone had time to screw around in the former USSR. None of my relatives were slaving away on the assembly lines in some factory, all were educated office workers or worked in high-end retail.

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Anonymous wrote:Methinks this has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with Eastern European cultures that do not stigmatize sex the way others do, relatively speaking.

Methinks you know NOTHING about the attitudes towards sex in the former USSR.

Methinks YOU know NOTHING about the former USSR. It was comprised of literally dozens of distinct cultures and not at all homogenous, like, say, the good old USA.

Confirming, yet again, how idiots reveal themselves through their misuse of "literally" in spoken and written English.

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Anonymous wrote:Methinks this has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with Eastern European cultures that do not stigmatize sex the way others do, relatively speaking.

Methinks you know NOTHING about the attitudes towards sex in the former USSR.

Methinks YOU know NOTHING about the former USSR. It was comprised of literally dozens of distinct cultures and not at all homogenous, like, say, the good old USA.

Behind the Iron Curtain, people's live were completely regulated. Having sex often with frequent partners was a method of protest. This probably led to improved learning about sex for women at least.

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Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

If you consider standing in endless lines for basic necessities that were always in short supply to be leisure time, then yeah, okay.

If the stuff is in short supply, then what's the point in standing in line. They would ran out before you get there. There were no lines since there was nothing to buy.

Let me tell you how it went. You are walking back from work and see a line forming outside a store. You immediately stand there without knowing what will be sold. Start asking: what will they be giving? Some say women’s shoes (bonus if Czech or East German), or children’s jackets, or bananas, or whatever. You continue standing because you don’t know for sure “what they will be giving” but wherever it will be, it would be useful because unless you buy it now, there is no guarantee that in 3 or 6 or 12 or 24 months down the line, it will be sold somewhere again and you would have to look everywhere for it. This is why you would stand in that line. Same thing for food stuffs, you find out the day before that they will be giving out meat (by giving out it means selling), you run at 5:30 or 6 am to book your place in line. You come back at 2 or at 3 or 4 whenever the time is, and take your place in line (that you booked in the early AM) and buy 1 or 2 portions of the meat, because they ration it. Hope this helps to understand. This was the situation in the 1970s and 1980s, towards the collapse. May be it was different in 1950s and 1960’s for food stuffs, but for consumer goods, this was pretty much it.

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Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

If you consider standing in endless lines for basic necessities that were always in short supply to be leisure time, then yeah, okay.

If the stuff is in short supply, then what's the point in standing in line. They would ran out before you get there. There were no lines since there was nothing to buy. You can't have it both ways.

You are totally embarrassing yourself if you contend that Soviets didn't spend hours in line waiting for the chance to get scarce goods. Just stop.

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Anonymous wrote:So what explains their low birthrates?

Government funded abortions and who the hell wants to raise a kid in that hell? Also, at least in Red China, one child policy. Cramped living quarters, alcoholism, low-calorie diet, poor health care, waiting lists for everything, etc.

Not true. I grew up there. Birth control was available, and it was cultural and still is to have 2 kids the most, maybe 3. Big families were not cool, longer story.

It was low quality and unreliable. The chief form of birth control was abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

If you consider standing in endless lines for basic necessities that were always in short supply to be leisure time, then yeah, okay.

If the stuff is in short supply, then what's the point in standing in line. They would ran out before you get there. There were no lines since there was nothing to buy. You can't have it both ways. The one period, when we had coupons, people stood in line because the first 10 couldn't buy all. This is also all that media chooses to show Americans.
My father was also carefully counting and keeping an eye on the coupons sent to every family, but since there was enough to buy, he chilled out.
While we couldn't buy all the crap available to us now, the food was local and fresh. School lunches were free and made from scratch daily.
No school had big refrigerators to store pre- made food that just needed to be warmed up.
Nobody was over-worked and child care was free for all. You get home by 4 or 5 pm and your kid is still in daycare. In fast, the kids got themselves home. By 9, they were tired since daycare wore them out and parents had more time to themselves.
Sex didn't and doesn't equal more kids because we had and have birth-control.

Anonymous wrote:More leisure time in Communist countries.

Capitalists - and their worker bees - are over-scheduled.

Nope. Everyone had to work a side job because the job the government ordered them to do didn't pay enough. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:This just seemed interesting: Women had better sex in communist countries.
https://bigthink.com/sex-relationships/women-sex-socialism

After the reunification of Germany, a few interesting studies were undertaken about the sex lives of German women from both sides of the Iron Curtain.
To the surprise of many in the West, two-thirds of the East German woman reported that they "almost always" had an orgasm during sex, with another 18 percent revealing they did so "often". What's more, 82% of them reported being "happy" after sex. On the other hand, the West German women experienced orgasms half as much as their communist counterparts and only 52% of them reported being "happy" after sex.

In Russia, studies on various kinds of relationships show a proliferation of people viewing relationships as a mere "calculation" after the fall of communism and a slew of friendship- and romance-driven ones during the days of the USSR. When combined with interviews given by Eastern Bloc women on how life was before and after the fall of communism, there is a clear dividing line between sex before and after capitalism won.

The idea is that, because women were more financially independent, they didn't trade sex for economic security and, therefore, weren't as inclined to put up with bad sex or relationships. Meanwhile, men upped their game in response. (Though there is another thought that the couples just got better at sex because, in communist countries, there wasn't much else to do for entertainment.)

Bingo. They had crappy quality of life, but sex was a free escape.

That’s like saying economic security plays no part in women having better relationships. Communist women didn’t need to rely on husbands for basic necessities - much like women today can work and don’t have to be fully dependent on their husbands. That means you’re free to pick partners who are a better emotional/sexual match and financial support doesn’t have to be the determining factor.

There are many things wrong with communist governance, but they were ahead of times in regard to women’s rights. (Not perfect by any means, but certainly better than their neighbors.)