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Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.

OK, I am not an expert. What are all the places in the new testament that talk about homosexuality?

This is false, Jesus never said homosexuality was a sin.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.

OK, I am not an expert. What are all the places in the new testament that talk about homosexuality?

Anonymous wrote:I think OP there will never be a satisfactory answer to your question. I'm a Christian and I don't "care" about any specific sin. We all sin. Period. I don't go around spouting that "this" is a sin and "that" is a sin, but if YOU ask me specifically about "this" or "that", then I'm going to have to say yes, it's a sin. Quit trying to play gotcha and just understand that we all sin and true Christians are trying not to and want that everyone know Jesus' love and saving power.

Anonymous wrote:Christians are bound by NEW TESTAMENT LAW, not OLD TESTAMENT.

Shellfish, stoning, and shrimp laws are OT laws.

Homosexuality is NT law.

Jesus also said “he who is without sin cast the first stone” to people who wanted to stone an adulteress.

We follow the Law of Christ. That’s why we don’t follow all laws in the Bible anymore. It’s not picking and choosing though, it’s based on which law we are bound to.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A35-40&version=ESV

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

On one hand, this could seem to be incompatible with some of the views on gay people that lead people to treat them poorly.

On the other hand, some people claim they love them but just want to help them quit sinning (despite the fact that they were born that way..)

David Matheson, a once prominent Mormon “conversion therapist” who claims to have helped some gay men remain in heterosexual marriages, is looking for a boyfriend.

The revelation broke Sunday night after the LGBTQ nonprofit Truth Wins Out obtained a private Facebook post made by “conversion therapy” advocate Rich Wyler, which stated that Matheson “says that living a single, celibate life ‘just isn’t feasible for him,’ so he’s seeking a male partner.”

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Anonymous wrote:I don't eat shellfish.

Why didn't you put the word "Christian" in your post title, since you clearly were not thinking about Jews? (BTW, kosher observant Jews vary in their positions on gays) Even though the books you reference were given to US, are written in a language most of y'all don't speak, etc, etc.

#culturalappropriation

I recognize there are some Jews who don't eat shellfish, don't cut their hair/beards etc.

Yes, this post is about Christians. As to why, I backspaced it to fit my whole title in..

You wrote a long OP that did not mention Jews, and mentioned Christianity, but did not say you were specifically asking Christians.

I understand you are interested in exploring the issue of hypocrisy among Christians, but I do find the tendency to "disappear" Jews in these discussions frustrating. The entire issue is rooted in the (arguably selective) early Christian project of deemphasizing Jewish religious law, of dejudaizing Christianity while retaining those aspects of the Hebrew scriptures that were useful to Christians. I think by ignoring that project, and its relationship to Christian 'supercessionism' you can't get a full picture of these issues in Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't eat shellfish.

Why didn't you put the word "Christian" in your post title, since you clearly were not thinking about Jews? (BTW, kosher observant Jews vary in their positions on gays) Even though the books you reference were given to US, are written in a language most of y'all don't speak, etc, etc.

#culturalappropriation

I recognize there are some Jews who don't eat shellfish, don't cut their hair/beards etc.

Yes, this post is about Christians. As to why, I backspaced it to fit my whole title in..

Anonymous wrote:I don't eat shellfish.

Why didn't you put the word "Christian" in your post title, since you clearly were not thinking about Jews? (BTW, kosher observant Jews vary in their positions on gays) Even though the books you reference were given to US, are written in a language most of y'all don't speak, etc, etc.

#culturalappropriation

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Anonymous wrote:My honest thought on this is that it's because those people are exploiting the Bible for their own political purposes. It's not politically useful for them to not eat shellfish or have rape victims marry their rapists, so they act as though those passages don't exist.

What political purpose? I do not think you are wrong, but can you give some examples?

See Pence, Mike.

PP here, but yes -- the immediate PP gave the answer I would have. These people are homophobic and are using the Bible to justify attacking gay people.

What is the attack? If you asked Mike Pence is stealing a sin, he'd say yes. If you asked him if gossip is a sin, he'd say yes. If you asked him is jealously is a sin, he'd say yes.

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Anonymous wrote:My honest thought on this is that it's because those people are exploiting the Bible for their own political purposes. It's not politically useful for them to not eat shellfish or have rape victims marry their rapists, so they act as though those passages don't exist.

What political purpose? I do not think you are wrong, but can you give some examples?

See Pence, Mike.

I understand why Republican politicians like to talk about these issues to divide people and get them to vote out of fear and anger. But I do not understand why Christian pastors would have the same motivation.

Really?

For Catholic priests it's because the Catholic Church espouses an explicitly homophobic message.

For Protestant ministers and Mormons it's because, for most of them, the majority of their congregation is Republican: http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-affiliation/

So you think that taking an anti-gay stance is beneficial for priests/ministers because it makes them more likely to maintain their large socially conservative congregation and all the benefits that come with that? Money, power, influence, prestige, etc.