Anonymous
Post 01/27/2019 09:54     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?


Because he’s black and it’s racist to make allegations against him.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2019 09:47     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson

Go to the primary sources guys. Don’t follow obviously biased media narratives.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2019 09:38     Subject: Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:Someone has laid out a counter argument and evidence that points to his innocence

https://old.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/afnz1w/michael_is_innocent/


People are like sheep and have no critical thinking skills.

Michael was and continues to be framed.
Great analysis.

Its sad that people are still trying to make a buck out of a very talented and innocent man.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2019 09:13     Subject: Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:I remember the day I finally changed my mind about him. I was reading an article about Jerry Sandusky. It was a really long piece that went into great detail about how Sandusky groomed his victims, how people knew, but covered it up, how he convinced the parents he did nothing wrong. It was a great piece; I’ll see if I can find it.

But while I was reading, I kept thinking about Michael. How the grooming behaviors Sandusky used sounded an awful lot like how Michael interacted with little boys. He talked about these things himself in that weird Martin Bashir interview. And it hit me — wow, I think he really did it. I had defended him for a long time, but that unrelated article changed it for me.


Exactly. Put aside the trial, the FBI, all of it... and listen to MJ's OWN WORDS. They are very damning. People who dismiss it by saying, "oh, well he was like a child himself" or whatever are delusional. The things he said in that interview are textbook predator material.

To a degree I do feel some sympathy for MJ. I think he probably suffered a lot of abuse as a child that the world will never know about. We are starting to see the full picture of how seedy the entertainment business is and how dangerous it is for children. I think it's very likely that Michael suffered sexual abuse as a child, not to mention the physical and emotional abuse of his father. So I can see how he became the person he was as an adult. To be clear, I am in no way excusing his behavior and I think he should have been in jail. But it's a sad story all around.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 23:37     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:MJ is innocent. He was proven so. There is 0 evidence of child abuse. He was just a man-child.


WTF is a man-child?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:51     Subject: Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
There's a reason he had to anesthetize himself to sleep at night. I have no doubt it's true.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:51     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MJ is innocent. He was proven so. There is 0 evidence of child abuse. He was just a man-child.


This is what I WANT to believe!

He had a horrible childhood - abused by his father, on the road, no time to just be a kid.



That's what I want to believe too. I even read through the documents when these were released from his FBI file - and I took comfort that the allegations were not true. I haven't seen the documentary - and even though I don't want to - I have to believe the victims.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:43     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?


Is that such a bad thing? That show (still) is insufferable. They did the world a favor.


Wow, did you miss the point of the example...


I didn't miss the point. I commented on the part that offended me the most.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:38     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:MJ is innocent. He was proven so. There is 0 evidence of child abuse. He was just a man-child.


+1
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:23     Subject: Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Someone has laid out a counter argument and evidence that points to his innocence

https://old.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/afnz1w/michael_is_innocent/
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:19     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MJ is innocent. He was proven so. There is 0 evidence of child abuse. He was just a man-child.


This is what I WANT to believe!

He had a horrible childhood - abused by his father, on the road, no time to just be a kid.



Go to the Rolling Stone article link posted earlier in this thread. Even reading an account of the screening is disturbing. The documentary itself apparently makes explicit -- very explicit -- that the man was no child but certainly preferred them.

The article also mentions why the two men testified on Jackson's behalf all those years ago. Victims can be very much under the spell of their abusers, PPs.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:14     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?


Is that such a bad thing? That show (still) is insufferable. They did the world a favor.


Wow, did you miss the point of the example...
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 19:06     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:MJ is innocent. He was proven so. There is 0 evidence of child abuse. He was just a man-child.


What do you make of this documentary and Wade Robson and James Safechuck?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 18:49     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:
Every time I hear another Michael Jackson song played on the radio or overhear one being played in a store or wherever, I wonder if anyone will ever have the guts finally to say it's time to stop playing the "separate the performer from the performance" game with his music.

Everyone has known, since long before he died, that there were very serious sexual abuse allegations that got hushed up with buckets of money; maybe this documentary will at last out him as the pedophile so many knew he really was.

Yes, we all know he was a superstar, and that zillions still just love love love his music. But if film distributors won't distribute Kevin Spacey's films ever again because of his criminality, or if no one can ever hear decades of "Prairie Home Companion" radio shows that were expunged because the host was fired for allegations (no charges) that are still disputed....Why does the god Michael Jackson get a pass so that his music gets to be heard?

Because his relatives still make a vast fortune off of it?


Is that such a bad thing? That show (still) is insufferable. They did the world a favor.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2019 18:33     Subject: Re:Leaving Neverland new documentary on Michael Jackson
Anonymous wrote:MJ is innocent. He was proven so. There is 0 evidence of child abuse. He was just a man-child.


This is what I WANT to believe!

He had a horrible childhood - abused by his father, on the road, no time to just be a kid.