Anonymous wrote:Towards the end of page two and doesn't appear any GOP affected except some hearsay stories.

I think it's time for democrats to get in here posing as GOP and make up some horror stories.

Unlikely that they are unaffected. There are 2 million federal workers and 4 million federal contractors. If you assume 40% are affected that is 2.5 million workers The pain might be widely dispersed (85% of the federal workforce lives outside the DMV) but it is real

Not a wall supporter, but this is a mean-spirited question to pose at suffering families

Towards the end of page two and doesn't appear any GOP affected except some hearsay stories.

I think it's time for democrats to get in here posing as GOP and make up some horror stories.

Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with it. Just give the money to build the wall. Why are you so afraid of a wall?

I'm 100% against illegal immigration and 100% against this stupid wall, which won't work. Europe effectively has a wall called the Mediterranean, and how well do you think that's been working them in terms of preventing immigration from Africa and the Middle East?

Even if it did work a smidgens, by the time it's built in two decades with the eminent domain lawsuits, environmental lawsuits and god knows whatever other lawsuits and the inevitable construction delays and cost overruns which will make it cost more like $15 billion, a latino plurality if not majority in the US will vote to dismantle it.

Another reason I'm entirely against it is that blackmail and hostage-taking with carve-outs for special friends in high places (like the mortgage industry) aren't an acceptable way to govern. If the Dems give in to this, he'll decide he won and do it again and again every time the whim strikes him.

He'll have to back off when the food supply starts getting tainted enough by marginal operators who know they're not being inspected anytime soon that people start dying, or when doctors become unable to prescribe medications because their DEA licenses can't be renewed. Even Republicans have to eat and need meds once in a while.

Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with it. Just give the money to build the wall. Why are you so afraid of a wall?

No one is "afraid" of the wall. It's a waste of taxpayer money since the ROI on it is terrible. There are more cost effective ways to deal with the issue. Why are Rs so happy to waste taxpayer money all of a sudden?

Dems offered $25 bil for border security, including more agents and tech solutions. Why did Trump decline that offer when it included the things he's now asking for?

And let's remember, Trump said he would own the shutdown. Indeed, in 2013, during the shutdown, he even stated that it's *always* the president's fault when a shutdown happens. So, even Trump agrees that it's his fault, as do most Americans.

I’m fine with it. Just give the money to build the wall. Why are you so afraid of a wall?

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Anonymous wrote:They will kill their first-born on the alter of Trump before they ever admit they were wrong.

Altar

in fairness, it’d be misspelled

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, Dems that are furloughed......are you happy with Pelosi's intransience?

I don't believe she is being intransigent. I believe Trump is throwing a temper tantrum. As with any 3-year old, you can't give in, you can only wait it out.

Melania needs to talk some sense into her man. She has no power in her marriage. She needs to use her vajayjay to coerce her man to do the right thing and end this horrific government shutdown over nonsense.

In fact, maybe that is the issue. Maybe Melania stopped sleeping with that orange baboon years ago, and the man is now hard up for sex. This is how he's acting, like a man that just needs a good lay.

Melania, on behalf of your new country, please do your wifely duty and lay it on D real good tonite!

TIA,
Murica

IYou know he us really pining away for Hopie.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, Dems that are furloughed......are you happy with Pelosi's intransience?

I don't believe she is being intransigent. I believe Trump is throwing a temper tantrum. As with any 3-year old, you can't give in, you can only wait it out.

And, if your toddler is throwing a temper tantrum on the airplane, what do you do? Do you not try to fix the situation? There is a time and a place to stick to your guns, but securing our border is important. The barrier is only part of the ask. And, she has voted for it before.

I've been in that situation. I move my kid as far away from others as possible and keep her there until she calms down. What I don't do is give in to her demands based on a tantrum. I'm very patient and calmk and I stare down all dirty looks. My kid can't outlast me, she can't make feel embarassed and, she can never ever get what she wants during a tantrum.

This IS the time and place to stick to your guns because if you give in, even once, he will use the shutdown tactic again to get whatever else he wants. It's very predictable. It's difficult, but unyielding patience is the only way.

You can see that Pelosi has done this before either with children and with narcissists. I have also done this with narcissists. I did make a mistake with a narcissist by backing off when I should not have. It's a mistake because they view it as a sign of weakness. I learned to stop making that mistake and then I won. But it was painful right up until my victory.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, Dems that are furloughed......are you happy with Pelosi's intransience?

I don't believe she is being intransigent. I believe Trump is throwing a temper tantrum. As with any 3-year old, you can't give in, you can only wait it out.

Melania needs to talk some sense into her man. She has no power in her marriage. She needs to use her vajayjay to coerce her man to do the right thing and end this horrific government shutdown over nonsense.

In fact, maybe that is the issue. Maybe Melania stopped sleeping with that orange baboon years ago, and the man is now hard up for sex. This is how he's acting, like a man that just needs a good lay.

Melania, on behalf of your new country, please do your wifely duty and lay it on D real good tonite!

TIA,
Murica

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, Dems that are furloughed......are you happy with Pelosi's intransience?

I don't believe she is being intransigent. I believe Trump is throwing a temper tantrum. As with any 3-year old, you can't give in, you can only wait it out.

And, if your toddler is throwing a temper tantrum on the airplane, what do you do? Do you not try to fix the situation? There is a time and a place to stick to your guns, but securing our border is important. The barrier is only part of the ask. And, she has voted for it before.

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Anonymous wrote:Not me.....but a friend of mine.

She had lost three jobs in private industry, though no fault of her own, and the last time was when she was 51 and it took her 10 months to secure a new job - which was with the government. She said she couldn't go through another layoff at her age, and she knew her government job would be secure. When I asked her how she felt about the furlough, she said it wasn't ideal but that it was a lot better than what she went through in private indistry and wouldn't change back for the world.

In the meantime, she drove over to her mother's condo in O.C. She said she likes it there when it's cold.

Hope she knows she has to report to work as soon as the shutdown finishes. You can’t just leave town

I’m sure people will have enough notice that she can get back here from Ocean City.

First PP here. Actually (and I spoke to her today), she has a plan: She works from home T, Th, and F, so even if by some miracle they open the government on Tuesday, she has a laptop and can work from the Oc condo. She said she'll take Wed (her office day) off with annual leave, and then work from the Oc condo on Th and Fr. Her plan is to return a week from Monday, either way.

Anonymous wrote:Hey, Dems that are furloughed......are you happy with Pelosi's intransience?

Well, as this is not on Nancy. I'm fine with it.

You're telling me that Trump/GOP was fine with no wall funding until the Dems took the House? You're stupid enough to fall for that shit? That's fine, if so. But, that also tells me all I need to know about you.

Putting aside that he LIED about Mexico paying for a wall, I will also add that a "wall" is fine to debate on the merits of a bill. Along with the many other things that (more effectively) deal with border security. What is not appropriate is to demand controversial border security in an appropriations bill. And hold the federal government hostage for, what is it now, 21 days? This is appropriations. Not a border security bill. You want to discuss it, then that's where it belongs. But, Trump doesn't want that. He chose THIS battle instead. And as he so clearly expressed, he owns it. It's on him. 100%.

So, no. This is Trump. All Trump. As aided and abetted by the treasonous McConnell.

Anonymous wrote:Hey, Dems that are furloughed......are you happy with Pelosi's intransience?

I don't believe she is being intransigent. I believe Trump is throwing a temper tantrum. As with any 3-year old, you can't give in, you can only wait it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Not me.....but a friend of mine.

She had lost three jobs in private industry, though no fault of her own, and the last time was when she was 51 and it took her 10 months to secure a new job - which was with the government. She said she couldn't go through another layoff at her age, and she knew her government job would be secure. When I asked her how she felt about the furlough, she said it wasn't ideal but that it was a lot better than what she went through in private indistry and wouldn't change back for the world.

In the meantime, she drove over to her mother's condo in O.C. She said she likes it there when it's cold.

Hope she knows she has to report to work as soon as the shutdown finishes. You can’t just leave town

I’m sure people will have enough notice that she can get back here from Ocean City.