Anonymous
12/10/2018 10:58
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
You and your company are missing out.
DP. They, probably, are, but it is not the point. And the point is, there are always fewer coveted spots than there are applicants, so if your uncle doesn't sit on the company's board and/or you aren't at an Ivy making good grades, your access to certain well-paid jobs will be somewhat restricted.
This is not to say that these jobs will necessarily lead to one's happiness and personal fullfillment, but if getting the job is your current goal..
There are plenty of high paying jobs for everyone. I wouldn’t stress about this. Most people don’t attend Ivy League schools.
That's just something that people with lousy grades say.
No it isn’t. It is a fact that there are plenty of high paying jobs for those who don’t attend Ivy League schools. I am not sure what that has to do with good or bad grades. Not everyone with good grades goes to an Ivy League school. The point is that there are lots of employers out there who do not require an Ivy League education. Good grades are most helpful in getting a foot in the door. There is no denying that.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 10:07
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One of my favorite pearls of wisdom from med school: “do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their med school class?”...”Doctor”.
Asian and white students aren’t getting into American medical school without a 3.6+ stem gpa. 3.7 3.8 3.9 4.0 undergrad gpa are a dime a dozen. Under a 3.5 teases out capacity and or laziness issues — just not worth it unless it’s a job any moron can do.
But med schools care very little about where the undergrad degree is from. It can actually be an advantage to come from an obscure college; med schools like to boast that their incoming class consists of #X students from #Y colleges.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 08:41
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:One of my favorite pearls of wisdom from med school: “do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their med school class?”...”Doctor”.
Asian and white students aren’t getting into American medical school without a 3.6+ stem gpa. 3.7 3.8 3.9 4.0 undergrad gpa are a dime a dozen. Under a 3.5 teases out capacity and or laziness issues — just not worth it unless it’s a job any moron can do.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 08:12
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:One of my favorite pearls of wisdom from med school: “do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their med school class?”...”Doctor”.
In dental school ours was "You know what a D gets you? DDS!"
Anonymous
12/10/2018 07:43
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
You and your company are missing out.
DP. They, probably, are, but it is not the point. And the point is, there are always fewer coveted spots than there are applicants, so if your uncle doesn't sit on the company's board and/or you aren't at an Ivy making good grades, your access to certain well-paid jobs will be somewhat restricted.
This is not to say that these jobs will necessarily lead to one's happiness and personal fullfillment, but if getting the job is your current goal..
There are plenty of high paying jobs for everyone. I wouldn’t stress about this. Most people don’t attend Ivy League schools.
lol
this is certainly NOT the contention on the money board where everyone with "regular" 300-400k incomes complains about feeling poor. It actually is hard to get to the next level - 700k up.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 07:39
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
"I recently was recruited for a company: they reached out to me for a high level job. I am a PhD Scientist, working for 25 years. PhD is from a good school; and I have won internationally recognized awards. My efforts are responsible for about 4 million per year in revenue.
I was rejected because of my college GPA. WTF?"
Sounds like you are one LUCKY sob. Think of the crazy rules they must have for people who actually work there....
I was rejected because of my college GPA. WTF?"
Sounds like you are one LUCKY sob. Think of the crazy rules they must have for people who actually work there....
Anonymous
12/10/2018 07:02
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:I agree that this percentage grades are stupid. We got As or Bs, occasinally prof would give minus or plus. This 89.9% is something I don't get. How does a prof make one paper 98 and other 100? I find it utterly stupid.
To get 89.9, there is a rubric, usually. And that is how things added up. I'd never give a grade like that on a paper unless I shared the rubric. It is just asking a pushy kid to show up and argue.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 06:57
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
I agree that this percentage grades are stupid. We got As or Bs, occasinally prof would give minus or plus. This 89.9% is something I don't get. How does a prof make one paper 98 and other 100? I find it utterly stupid.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 06:02
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
I recently was recruited for a company: they reached out to me for a high level job. I am a PhD Scientist, working for 25 years. PhD is from a good school; and I have won internationally recognized awards. My efforts are responsible for about 4 million per year in revenue.
I was rejected because of my college GPA. WTF?
hmmm... was it a good college?
Anonymous
12/10/2018 05:55
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
I recently was recruited for a company: they reached out to me for a high level job. I am a PhD Scientist, working for 25 years. PhD is from a good school; and I have won internationally recognized awards. My efforts are responsible for about 4 million per year in revenue.
I was rejected because of my college GPA. WTF?
Anonymous
12/10/2018 05:24
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
I don't have an issue with this. If colleges take this approach is actually awesome news for DC! However, I also don't see the point of putting down the straight A student ("conformity" & "missing out socially")
Anonymous
12/10/2018 02:34
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:I'm on hiring committee and we no longer consider Ivy League graduates. Too many of them were demanding "leave" for personal travel and special perks. They weren't good team players or "out of box" thinkers. I'm in journalism and, believe me, not all the NYTimes journalists send their kids to elite schools. Not by a long shot.
You're a journalist and your employer has a ban on Ivy graduates? I find that somewhat hard to believe because I don't think any industry as is pedigree obsessed as journalism is. Penn and Columbia both have fabulous and world famous journalism programs but you won't consider students from those schools?
Anonymous
12/10/2018 00:50
Subject: Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/opinion/college-gpa-career-success.html#commentsContainer
My kids, who were mediocre high school students, excelled in college and have happy, fulfilled lives. Your kids can, too.
I've been in recruiting meetings at work ... we don't have the time to give everyone a chance, we have feeder colleges that have a history of giving us the talent we need and we literally won't even look at your resume with less than a 3.7 (software filters). The Times produces a lot of bullsh*t click-bait for the masses. All the big time journalists there send their kids to elite colleges. Kristof kids Harvard ... Charles Blow son at Yale ... on and on and on.
You and your company are missing out.
Adverse selection is the bigger problem for this kind of organization. Non-elite firms/companies who are picky about pedigree tend to draw the lowest quality of graduates from the top schools. Many organizations have to learn this the hard way.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 00:40
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
Anonymous wrote:One of my favorite pearls of wisdom from med school: “do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their med school class?”...”Doctor”.
yeah but try getting into med school in the first place with average grades.
Anonymous
12/10/2018 00:38
Subject: Re:Please read this before focusing too much on grades/elite colleges
One of my favorite pearls of wisdom from med school: “do you know what they call the person who graduated last in their med school class?”...”Doctor”.