Anonymous wrote:I agree with one of the PP that the experienced coaches recognize talents better than a typical parent does.

Even if they bring in a kid that seems to have the same talent level of existing kids, but the coach might also recognize more potential with new kid.

Yes, this hurts us parents of this happens to one of your kids, but c’est la vie!

All of this is true with the targeted kid, but is never the case with the tag along kids.

I agree with one of the PP that the experienced coaches recognize talents better than a typical parent does.

Even if they bring in a kid that seems to have the same talent level of existing kids, but the coach might also recognize more potential with new kid.

Yes, this hurts us parents of this happens to one of your kids, but c’est la vie!

Genetics also plays a big role. There are players that are skilled but when they get to 12, 13, 14 don't grow as much as others or turn out to not be as athletic, fast, strong, etc.

For those kids, they may encounter limitations more than they encounter mistakes. Mistakes can be corrected with training. Limitations are things they just don't possess the ability to do. Unlike mistakes those limitations will be exposed every time they attempt it. If a club finds another skilled player without those limitations, the coach will see more of an upside in that player because they are faster, taller, stronger, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Too many parents only focus exclusively on what their kids do when they’re on the ball. It’s easy to blame other position groups rather than admit your kid needs to release quicker, or transition back full speed, have good positioning, find open space better, track runners, etc

Huh? I find that to be a problem with a majority of coaches more than parents that were either raised in Europe and/or grew up watching FIFA and played competitively themselves. The chickens running around with wasted energy/movement and the kids that dribble it into the ground (but have fancy footskills) are the ones that get the attention even though they have zero effectiveness, can't help draw players away, don't know where to move or anticipate a pass, don't ever catch the wingback making an overlapping run but are hyper focused on taking it down themselves, try to take on 4-5 players, clear it out of the back vs dribbling/taking space when available---and the other players no knowledge to slide in to cover....

I agree with you on your second point of all the things players should be doing. I still stand by it being too many parents, as a huge chunk of them did not grow up playing competitively in Europe for FIFA.

Anonymous wrote:Too many parents only focus exclusively on what their kids do when they’re on the ball. It’s easy to blame other position groups rather than admit your kid needs to release quicker, or transition back full speed, have good positioning, find open space better, track runners, etc

Huh? I find that to be a problem with a majority of coaches more than parents that were either raised in Europe and/or grew up watching FIFA and played competitively themselves. The chickens running around with wasted energy/movement and the kids that dribble it into the ground (but have fancy footskills) are the ones that get the attention even though they have zero effectiveness, can't help draw players away, don't know where to move or anticipate a pass, don't ever catch the wingback making an overlapping run but are hyper focused on taking it down themselves, try to take on 4-5 players, clear it out of the back vs dribbling/taking space when available---and the other players no knowledge to slide in to cover....

There are different schools of thought on this. Some clubs figure if they have players who fit their system, have good attitudes, work hard, and are progressing, then a new player would have to be demonstrably better in order to displace the existing ones. They will add players who they think can come in and make an immediate impact, but otherwise keep developing what they have rather than bring in new players just for the sake of it.

Others believe that but cutting a certain number every year regardless, and giving other players a chance, it sends a message to everyone in the group that their spot is never safe, and this will translate into more competitive training sessions on a day to day basis.

Results also play a role. If a team is struggling competitively, especially if they are losing ground over rival clubs over time, TDs start to ask questions. There aren't many coaches who are going to answer those questions by saying, "Sorry boss, it's me. The other coaches have been doing a better job." The more likely answer is going to be something like "Sorry, but we just don't have the players."

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Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."

In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?

No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.

No, not "rightfully".
The DA is supposed to be cutthroat...that's what it's all about.
If they recruit someone from outside the team instead of promoting your kid, it's because they think he's better. Period. They owe nothing to the players or kids, and yes, you owe nothing to them.
If you don't like that, play rec.

Because after all:

Mercy is for the week, and we do not train to be merciful...

Right, sensei?

If the gap between a off the street kid is that much greater than your own kid then training may not actually be happening.

There is nothing wrong with bringing in talent, but it is also a lazy solution if you claim development as a club strength. If, as club and as a coach, you believe in your process, your players and yourself it should be really hard to add anything but a top 3-4 kid to the roster.

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Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."

In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?

No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.

No, not "rightfully".
The DA is supposed to be cutthroat...that's what it's all about.
If they recruit someone from outside the team instead of promoting your kid, it's because they think he's better. Period. They owe nothing to the players or kids, and yes, you owe nothing to them.
If you don't like that, play rec.

Because after all:

Mercy is for the week, and we do not train to be merciful...

Right, sensei?

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Anonymous wrote:The new players that are coming in ARE demonstrably better...you just aren't willing to admit that, and/or are too close to see it.

As this seems more of a truthful, hypothetical anecdote we really have no way of knowing this for a fact on an anonymous message board.

We do not know the club, the team, or the players involved so to make such a statement is not at all based on facts.

How about basic logic?
A team isn't going to bother recruiting a player if they don't think he's better than at least one player that's already on the team.

Sure, that is true with the target player, but often times these are "package" deals that involve one or two more players who are not actually better than what the team already has but they are players who are not changing teams to be on the B team either. The team will often recruit the lesser player's friend in hopes to get the them to peak the interest of the player they really want to come over.

Of my goodness...we're going off the deep end here.
Let's put it this way, if you're worried that your kid will be kicked off the team, or not make the team because of something like this, he probably didn't have much of a future with that team anyway.

You are correct and the same goes for the package deal kid who could only make the team because of their friend. And in fact often times those package kids do not stick and get cut anyways because all along they were no better than the kid they replaced but they did bring the difference maker so by year two they have lost their usefulness and the cycle repeats.

Too many parents only focus exclusively on what their kids do when they’re on the ball. It’s easy to blame other position groups rather than admit your kid needs to release quicker, or transition back full speed, have good positioning, find open space better, track runners, etc

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Anonymous wrote:The new players that are coming in ARE demonstrably better...you just aren't willing to admit that, and/or are too close to see it.

As this seems more of a truthful, hypothetical anecdote we really have no way of knowing this for a fact on an anonymous message board.

We do not know the club, the team, or the players involved so to make such a statement is not at all based on facts.

How about basic logic?
A team isn't going to bother recruiting a player if they don't think he's better than at least one player that's already on the team.

Sure, that is true with the target player, but often times these are "package" deals that involve one or two more players who are not actually better than what the team already has but they are players who are not changing teams to be on the B team either. The team will often recruit the lesser player's friend in hopes to get the them to peak the interest of the player they really want to come over.

Of my goodness...we're going off the deep end here.
Let's put it this way, if you're worried that your kid will be kicked off the team, or not make the team because of something like this, he probably didn't have much of a future with that team anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:The new players that are coming in ARE demonstrably better...you just aren't willing to admit that, and/or are too close to see it.

As this seems more of a truthful, hypothetical anecdote we really have no way of knowing this for a fact on an anonymous message board.

We do not know the club, the team, or the players involved so to make such a statement is not at all based on facts.

How about basic logic?
A team isn't going to bother recruiting a player if they don't think he's better than at least one player that's already on the team.

Sure, that is true with the target player, but often times these are "package" deals that involve one or two more players who are not actually better than what the team already has but they are players who are not changing teams to be on the B team either. The team will often recruit the lesser player's friend in hopes to get the them to peak the interest of the player they really want to come over.

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Anonymous wrote:The new players that are coming in ARE demonstrably better...you just aren't willing to admit that, and/or are too close to see it.

As this seems more of a truthful, hypothetical anecdote we really have no way of knowing this for a fact on an anonymous message board.

We do not know the club, the team, or the players involved so to make such a statement is not at all based on facts.

How about basic logic?
A team isn't going to bother recruiting a player if they don't think he's better than at least one player that's already on the team.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it say about the coaches ability to develop and improve players? The way to improve is recruit new players? How about investing in the ones you have to make them better? Just because a new player did well in another program, under a different coach, different teammates, training style, etc does not mean they will excel on a new team. It could be a step backwards for the new player and the team and then you’ve just thrown away a year or more invested development. Unless you’ve found an obvious superstar, stick with and develop your investments. The quick fix mentality is not helping anyone

The whole point of DAs is that they bring in the best players from a wide geographic radius and and wide variety of programs.

If this is the case they spelled "Recruitment Academy" wrong.

Anonymous wrote:The new players that are coming in ARE demonstrably better...you just aren't willing to admit that, and/or are too close to see it.

As this seems more of a truthful, hypothetical anecdote we really have no way of knowing this for a fact on an anonymous message board.

We do not know the club, the team, or the players involved so to make such a statement is not at all based on facts.