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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

You understand that promotion relegation requires a hierarchy right? And if one of the leagues was determined to be the best league then Anson Dorance does not care about seeing games between teams in the two leagues. You understand this right?

I do. I like the idea of collecting all the teams and putting the stronger ones in one league together and the weaker ones in another. There are DA teams that can beat ECNL teams quite solidly, and there are ECNL teams that could beat DA teams just as easily.

I think it would be great to watch a ECNL team play a DA team without re-entry.

I don't personally care as long as they both follow the same re-entry rules. Either once per half like ECNL and the younger DA teams, or none.

It kinda matters.

If you don't think no re-entry does not fundamentally change game management, player management and fitness management then games between ECNL and DA following DA sub rules will not end well for most ECNL teams.

You assume that all ECNL coaches follow a model where they're trying to equalize playing time, or they're freely subbing.
Not all clubs at all levels.
Plus, if you establish what the rules are going to be ahead of time, so clubs can prepare appropriately, I don't think its as big a deal as you're trying to make it.

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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

You understand that promotion relegation requires a hierarchy right? And if one of the leagues was determined to be the best league then Anson Dorance does not care about seeing games between teams in the two leagues. You understand this right?

I do. I like the idea of collecting all the teams and putting the stronger ones in one league together and the weaker ones in another. There are DA teams that can beat ECNL teams quite solidly, and there are ECNL teams that could beat DA teams just as easily.

I think it would be great to watch a ECNL team play a DA team without re-entry.

I don't personally care as long as they both follow the same re-entry rules. Either once per half like ECNL and the younger DA teams, or none.

It kinda matters.

If you don't think no re-entry does not fundamentally change game management, player management and fitness management then games between ECNL and DA following DA sub rules will not end well for most ECNL teams.

Not really. The point is for 2 teams to compete, they should have the same ru,es and equal footing.

Besides, n has the unlimited substitutions of other leagues. People make to big a deal about this.

Absolutely matters and anyone with experience knows it. It’s great that you have a 30 girl roster with even depth, but put your best 11 out there with only a few subs, at moments, and let’s see how you do. There’s the saying “sub to win” for a reason

When you don’t have re-entry per half, it is similar enough that what you are saying is an exaggeration. Maybe with unlimited subs, but you’re blowing this out of proportion.

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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

You understand that promotion relegation requires a hierarchy right? And if one of the leagues was determined to be the best league then Anson Dorance does not care about seeing games between teams in the two leagues. You understand this right?

I do. I like the idea of collecting all the teams and putting the stronger ones in one league together and the weaker ones in another. There are DA teams that can beat ECNL teams quite solidly, and there are ECNL teams that could beat DA teams just as easily.

I think it would be great to watch a ECNL team play a DA team without re-entry.

I don't personally care as long as they both follow the same re-entry rules. Either once per half like ECNL and the younger DA teams, or none.

It kinda matters.

If you don't think no re-entry does not fundamentally change game management, player management and fitness management then games between ECNL and DA following DA sub rules will not end well for most ECNL teams.

Not really. The point is for 2 teams to compete, they should have the same ru,es and equal footing.

Besides, n has the unlimited substitutions of other leagues. People make to big a deal about this.

Absolutely matters and anyone with experience knows it. It’s great that you have a 30 girl roster with even depth, but put your best 11 out there with only a few subs, at moments, and let’s see how you do. There’s the saying “sub to win” for a reason

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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

You understand that promotion relegation requires a hierarchy right? And if one of the leagues was determined to be the best league then Anson Dorance does not care about seeing games between teams in the two leagues. You understand this right?

I do. I like the idea of collecting all the teams and putting the stronger ones in one league together and the weaker ones in another. There are DA teams that can beat ECNL teams quite solidly, and there are ECNL teams that could beat DA teams just as easily.

I think it would be great to watch a ECNL team play a DA team without re-entry.

I don't personally care as long as they both follow the same re-entry rules. Either once per half like ECNL and the younger DA teams, or none.

It kinda matters.

If you don't think no re-entry does not fundamentally change game management, player management and fitness management then games between ECNL and DA following DA sub rules will not end well for most ECNL teams.

Not really. The point is for 2 teams to compete, they should have the same ru,es and equal footing.

Besides, n has the unlimited substitutions of other leagues. People make to big a deal about this.

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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

If you think teams are playing ugly soccer because they're playing for results, what do you think would happen with promotion/relegation?

I think that most teams will still continue to play ugly soccer, but a handful of coaches that try to teach their teams possession-based soccer will get a fair shot at guiding their teams to the top division at least in the older age groups, when technical and tactical ability can overcome physical/athletic superiority.

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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

If you think teams are playing ugly soccer because they're playing for results, what do you think would happen with promotion/relegation?

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Anonymous wrote:If it were not for the big egos and greed at ECNL and DA clubs, we could have had a league competition consisting out of FCV, BRYC, Arlington, Mclean, VDA, Spirit VA, Spirit MD, Bethesda, Loudoun, etc. I bet the parents could cut down significantly on travel costs and still face the quality competition.

Agreed, and it would have been great. I think that’s what Spirit DA was driving for when the so-long-ago failed partnership with Arlington and Loudoun was supposed to feed into the Spirit VA program (like Armour does for MD).

I wish the club directors would get together and craft a local girls ECNL and DA tournament, even a scrimmage tournament, among these teams. It would be good for everyone. Especially the parents (to get a dose of reality, both good and bad, about the ‘elite’ scene in the local area) and the local college coaches.

What dose of reality? ECNL & DA players, parents, and coaches know exactly where they stand. Some parents may be delusional, but playing another local team won’t change that.

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Anonymous wrote:If it were not for the big egos and greed at ECNL and DA clubs, we could have had a league competition consisting out of FCV, BRYC, Arlington, Mclean, VDA, Spirit VA, Spirit MD, Bethesda, Loudoun, etc. I bet the parents could cut down significantly on travel costs and still face the quality competition.

Agreed, and it would have been great. I think that’s what Spirit DA was driving for when the so-long-ago failed partnership with Arlington and Loudoun was supposed to feed into the Spirit VA program (like Armour does for MD).

I wish the club directors would get together and craft a local girls ECNL and DA tournament, even a scrimmage tournament, among these teams. It would be good for everyone. Especially the parents (to get a dose of reality, both good and bad, about the ‘elite’ scene in the local area) and the local college coaches.

Don't tell us, tell your coaches and TD's you want it. Let us know what he says.

Anonymous wrote:If it were not for the big egos and greed at ECNL and DA clubs, we could have had a league competition consisting out of FCV, BRYC, Arlington, Mclean, VDA, Spirit VA, Spirit MD, Bethesda, Loudoun, etc. I bet the parents could cut down significantly on travel costs and still face the quality competition.

Agreed, and it would have been great. I think that’s what Spirit DA was driving for when the so-long-ago failed partnership with Arlington and Loudoun was supposed to feed into the Spirit VA program (like Armour does for MD).

I wish the club directors would get together and craft a local girls ECNL and DA tournament, even a scrimmage tournament, among these teams. It would be good for everyone. Especially the parents (to get a dose of reality, both good and bad, about the ‘elite’ scene in the local area) and the local college coaches.

Anonymous wrote:If it were not for the big egos and greed at ECNL and DA clubs, we could have had a league competition consisting out of FCV, BRYC, Arlington, Mclean, VDA, Spirit VA, Spirit MD, Bethesda, Loudoun, etc. I bet the parents could cut down significantly on travel costs and still face the quality competition.

This would be good. I am sensitive that not every family can afford all the trips. Maybe one or two a year for showcases but there are a lot of trips we have gone on. We are able to swing it but I know it is really hard for some families. I feel bad about it. We are careful to spend almost zero money so it is even for everyone. I even bring food for the room. I do not think wealth should be a barrier to playing on a top team. Yes I realize there is some FA but not for everything-it is the side stuff that gets families and some families have multiple kids.

Organized parent revolt is the only way. These leagues have divided and conquered using parental fear and igorance.

Anonymous wrote:If it were not for the big egos and greed at ECNL and DA clubs, we could have had a league competition consisting out of FCV, BRYC, Arlington, Mclean, VDA, Spirit VA, Spirit MD, Bethesda, Loudoun, etc. I bet the parents could cut down significantly on travel costs and still face the quality competition.

You nailed it.

If it were not for the big egos and greed at ECNL and DA clubs, we could have had a league competition consisting out of FCV, BRYC, Arlington, Mclean, VDA, Spirit VA, Spirit MD, Bethesda, Loudoun, etc. I bet the parents could cut down significantly on travel costs and still face the quality competition.

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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

You understand that promotion relegation requires a hierarchy right? And if one of the leagues was determined to be the best league then Anson Dorance does not care about seeing games between teams in the two leagues. You understand this right?

I do. I like the idea of collecting all the teams and putting the stronger ones in one league together and the weaker ones in another. There are DA teams that can beat ECNL teams quite solidly, and there are ECNL teams that could beat DA teams just as easily.

I think it would be great to watch a ECNL team play a DA team without re-entry.

I don't personally care as long as they both follow the same re-entry rules. Either once per half like ECNL and the younger DA teams, or none.

It kinda matters.

If you don't think no re-entry does not fundamentally change game management, player management and fitness management then games between ECNL and DA following DA sub rules will not end well for most ECNL teams.

+1 no clown car of subs to bail anyone out

RantingSoccerDad wrote:I can see DA backing away on re-entry rules for league games as long as they have some events that have FIFA rules.

They have to weigh the following:

1. Developing players by having them play 90 minutes.

2. Developing players by not having them fly to Utah to sit on the bench and play 0 minutes.

Have they backed away from the re-entry on the boys side?

DA conceded for U13 and U14 but there is no chance they back away from this. And not many players are really getting 90 minutes per game, but you can look up the minutes yourself which is pretty impossible to verify with ECNL but there are players on those rosters that struggle to see ten minutes a game.