Anonymous
11/09/2018 22:30
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was kicked repeatedly by a student about a month ago. No suspension since he “has an IEP.” Um, what? It won’t be much longer before teachers start wearing body cameras like the police. I still have bruises.
Can't teachers demand a change? This is some crazy stuff and no one deserves it. Not punishing these kids is a big F U to teachers. Can't the teachers union do something?
Nope. Hands are tied by the code of conduct, at least in MCPS. We deal with verbal and physical abuse pretty much daily, but there are few consequences. The domino effect to that is that others see that kids with egregious behaviors don't face consequences, so then they see what they can get away with when they would most likely be dissuaded from doing so if they saw others were actually being disciplined. So then it's not just a few students with behavioral issues--it's a lot of students with behavioral issues. Because why should they behave when they see others curse, throw things and hit others (including teachers) and there is no consequence besides writing a reflection? A lot of the upper elementary classrooms are downright scary. Yes, you read that correctly. Elementary.
DP
I can vouch for this. Not sure if you're at our ES, but we have had so many incidents at our ES. One kid who consistently throws chairs around if he's upset. Another kid who threatened to burn down the school. A kid who has assaulted other students. Even in K, we had a kid who hit the teacher. It's nuts.
Our ES does PBIS. So, I agree that the kids see that there are zero consequences to bad behavior. The kid who has been violent goes to see the counselor, and just ends up right back in the classroom. The poor teacher's hands are tied. The principal's hands are tied. It's a pretty terrible environment.
Ask your kids if there have been issues at their school, during recess, or during class. You might be surprised at what you hear about.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 22:12
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was kicked repeatedly by a student about a month ago. No suspension since he “has an IEP.” Um, what? It won’t be much longer before teachers start wearing body cameras like the police. I still have bruises.
Can't teachers demand a change? This is some crazy stuff and no one deserves it. Not punishing these kids is a big F U to teachers. Can't the teachers union do something?
Nope. Hands are tied by the code of conduct, at least in MCPS. We deal with verbal and physical abuse pretty much daily, but there are few consequences. The domino effect to that is that others see that kids with egregious behaviors don't face consequences, so then they see what they can get away with when they would most likely be dissuaded from doing so if they saw others were actually being disciplined. So then it's not just a few students with behavioral issues--it's a lot of students with behavioral issues. Because why should they behave when they see others curse, throw things and hit others (including teachers) and there is no consequence besides writing a reflection? A lot of the upper elementary classrooms are downright scary. Yes, you read that correctly. Elementary.
ok so screw the code of conduct. How can it be changed?
Anonymous
11/09/2018 22:07
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was kicked repeatedly by a student about a month ago. No suspension since he “has an IEP.” Um, what? It won’t be much longer before teachers start wearing body cameras like the police. I still have bruises.
Can't teachers demand a change? This is some crazy stuff and no one deserves it. Not punishing these kids is a big F U to teachers. Can't the teachers union do something?
Nope. Hands are tied by the code of conduct, at least in MCPS. We deal with verbal and physical abuse pretty much daily, but there are few consequences. The domino effect to that is that others see that kids with egregious behaviors don't face consequences, so then they see what they can get away with when they would most likely be dissuaded from doing so if they saw others were actually being disciplined. So then it's not just a few students with behavioral issues--it's a lot of students with behavioral issues. Because why should they behave when they see others curse, throw things and hit others (including teachers) and there is no consequence besides writing a reflection? A lot of the upper elementary classrooms are downright scary. Yes, you read that correctly. Elementary.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 21:59
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
How can I help this teacher?
Anonymous
11/09/2018 21:46
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was kicked repeatedly by a student about a month ago. No suspension since he “has an IEP.” Um, what? It won’t be much longer before teachers start wearing body cameras like the police. I still have bruises.
Well yeah, that's federal law. If a student has a disability, and it is determined that the disability causes the behavior, then you cannot treat it like a neurotypical kid performing the same behavior. (Believe me, I understand that it's frustrating--one of my middle schoolers was dealing drugs in my classroom but I was not allowed to kick him out because he had a disability that affected his processing ability. Really though, IEP students are 1% of the issue).
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In my FCPS middle school this past week (really, 3 days), I've had scissors thrown in my direction, materials taken off my desk and stomped on (shattering pens/buckets/rulers into shards), had kids stand on desks and scream racist remarks because, "people at trump rallies say it", and someone slam another kid's head into a computer cart. The school does very traditional discipline--detention/suspension AND restorative justice. These kids have zero consistency at home though, and come from messy home lives that really f's up their ability to sit and focus properly at school.
Well, this kid has a specific learning disability in the area of phonological awareness. He doesn't have ADHD or any emotional or behavioral issues. But I guess it's still okay for him to hurt people and not receive any consequences. When he was returned to my classroom, I was told by the admin that he didn't have to make up the work he missed. WTH? Did they give him a lollipop too?
Anonymous
11/09/2018 20:20
Subject: Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Public schools are done. All that's left are about 5 in Nova 7 in moco 5 in Howard and the MOCO /DC privates that are superior to watching tv all day.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 20:16
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:I was kicked repeatedly by a student about a month ago. No suspension since he “has an IEP.” Um, what? It won’t be much longer before teachers start wearing body cameras like the police. I still have bruises.
Well yeah, that's federal law. If a student has a disability, and it is determined that the disability causes the behavior, then you cannot treat it like a neurotypical kid performing the same behavior. (Believe me, I understand that it's frustrating--one of my middle schoolers was dealing drugs in my classroom but I was not allowed to kick him out because he had a disability that affected his processing ability. Really though, IEP students are 1% of the issue).
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In my FCPS middle school this past week (really, 3 days), I've had scissors thrown in my direction, materials taken off my desk and stomped on (shattering pens/buckets/rulers into shards), had kids stand on desks and scream racist remarks because, "people at trump rallies say it", and someone slam another kid's head into a computer cart. The school does very traditional discipline--detention/suspension AND restorative justice. These kids have zero consistency at home though, and come from messy home lives that really f's up their ability to sit and focus properly at school.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 20:13
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:I was kicked repeatedly by a student about a month ago. No suspension since he “has an IEP.” Um, what? It won’t be much longer before teachers start wearing body cameras like the police. I still have bruises.
Can't teachers demand a change? This is some crazy stuff and no one deserves it. Not punishing these kids is a big F U to teachers. Can't the teachers union do something?
Anonymous
11/09/2018 20:09
Subject: Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This girl needs to be charged and expelled.
She wasn’t even suspended. I kid you not.
That is because Baltimore schools now uses "restorative justice" instead of discipline.
Instead of punishment, kids get to talk in a group about disrupting or causing violence. Restorative justice is the new school trend to get suspension and expulsion numbers down in targeted ways so their stats look better and fairer. It doesn't work on behavior and actually makes it worse, but districts are doubling down on this model because it improves their suspension stats.
FCPS now has a restorative division, with separate restorative justice coordinators for each cluster.
Google restorative justice issues and you will learn more.
MCPS too - big deal in many of the more difficult schools
used an excuse for NOT expelling . . .
total BS- I wasted hours passing around a talking piece during training
Anonymous
11/09/2018 20:01
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
I was kicked repeatedly by a student about a month ago. No suspension since he “has an IEP.” Um, what? It won’t be much longer before teachers start wearing body cameras like the police. I still have bruises.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 18:59
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
I read about this and my heart broke for this poor women. Sickening to see whole generation with lack of manners and compassion for others.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 17:52
Subject: Re:Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
I hope the teacher called the cops. Screw restorative justice. Kids like this just learn there are no consequences for this behaviour. In most other countries this shit won't fly. We are such a bunch of coddling idiots.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 17:43
Subject: Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:MCPS now embraces restorative justice as well. It's a joke. It's bad when seven year olds realize the consequences are a joke.
I know of disruptive and violent kids who have been suspended in mcps.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 16:55
Subject: Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My mother was assaulted more than once as a Baltimore City teacher. They deserve hazard pay. You cannot pack already stressed kids and stressed adults into horrible buildings and not expect violence.
Is the student going to use your excuses to defend his assault to a teacher? Did a stressed teacher make the student to assault others?
When people are under extreme stress, they make extremely poor decisions. Triply so for adolescents. There are times when teachers, police officers, and parents also make subpar decisions due to stress. There’s a small window to descakate a situation with teenagers. I doubt anyone in that room was in a position to take time to help cool things off before it got physical.
Anonymous
11/09/2018 16:52
Subject: Baltimore teacher punched in face by student on her first day bank
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This girl needs to be charged and expelled.
She wasn’t even suspended. I kid you not.
That is because Baltimore schools now uses "restorative justice" instead of discipline.
Instead of punishment, kids get to talk in a group about disrupting or causing violence. Restorative justice is the new school trend to get suspension and expulsion numbers down in targeted ways so their stats look better and fairer. It doesn't work on behavior and actually makes it worse, but districts are doubling down on this model because it improves their suspension stats.
FCPS now has a restorative division, with separate restorative justice coordinators for each cluster.
Google restorative justice issues and you will learn more.
I’m the poster whose mom was assaulted. This problem predates restorative justice by decades. Think of other overcrowded, stressful environments where people hurt the people trying to help them. Reduce stressors and the violence will decline.