Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 22:28     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Here we go: Harvard will NOT give credit for dual enrollment classes counted for credit towards a high school diploma. https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/application-process/transferring-harvard-college/transfer-credits

It's quite possible that Harvard will still accept a dual enrollment graduate if that graduate has taken the most challenging course of study offered at his/her high school.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 21:58     Subject: Re:Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would beg to differ given that an associates degree is more challenging than high school credits. While the program is in the early stages, I am positive it will become a highly sought after option and become more competitive as more people find out about it.


I don't think a community college class is more challenging that a magnet class. I am not sure that they are more challenging than an AP class.


I am absolutely positive that a community college class is not more challenging than most AP's (let's ignore AP Computer Science Principles and Human Geography). There are adjuncts who teach both AP classes during the day and MC classes at night. You can ask them.

The Middle College program is really going to be most attractive to families whose children are not seeking to attend very competitive colleges. Many competitive colleges would not accept 2 years worth of credits from Montgomery College anyways. That being said, if you don't care about your child having 4 years at a high-level university and 3 summers of competitive internships, send him/her to Middle College.

I will say UMD College Park is good College and they will take the credits.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 21:48     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it sounds like a great way to transfer into UMD automatically!

I think MD is almost guaranteed to accept students with associates from MD community colleges


But not into the limited majors like engineering

Or business or nursing.

Curious why some posters seem to think that a community college course would be less challenging than an AP course.


Because some people have taken both. Also, AP Bio at most MCPS schools is a double-period course, so much more time is spent in class. The MC equivalents do not have cumulative finals.

The Northwood program has the students take AP Bio, AP Chem and/or AP physics, not a MC class.


From what I've seen, the MC classes are classes they wouldn't have at the high school. They take a History of Music course, a communications course, and other classes that are related to their area of interest and fulfill the requirements for an MC degree. I would have loved to have that opportunity in high school.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 21:11     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:Nice, I hope we get some feedback from parents

Any statistics on what students do after? Sounds like most go to UMD

There has only been one graduating class so far. And yes, I believe they all went to UMD.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 21:07     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Nice, I hope we get some feedback from parents

Any statistics on what students do after? Sounds like most go to UMD
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 19:20     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it sounds like a great way to transfer into UMD automatically!

I think MD is almost guaranteed to accept students with associates from MD community colleges


But not into the limited majors like engineering

Or business or nursing.

Curious why some posters seem to think that a community college course would be less challenging than an AP course.


Because some people have taken both. Also, AP Bio at most MCPS schools is a double-period course, so much more time is spent in class. The MC equivalents do not have cumulative finals.

The Northwood program has the students take AP Bio, AP Chem and/or AP physics, not a MC class.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 19:20     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it sounds like a great way to transfer into UMD automatically!

I think MD is almost guaranteed to accept students with associates from MD community colleges


But not into the limited majors like engineering

Or business or nursing.

Curious why some posters seem to think that a community college course would be less challenging than an AP course.


Because some people have taken both. Also, AP Bio at most MCPS schools is a double-period course, so much more time is spent in class. The MC equivalents do not have cumulative finals.


There is more independent learning in a college class so time spent in class is not necessarily indicative of rigor. College classes do not necessarily have cumulative finals.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 18:56     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it sounds like a great way to transfer into UMD automatically!

I think MD is almost guaranteed to accept students with associates from MD community colleges


But not into the limited majors like engineering

Or business or nursing.

Curious why some posters seem to think that a community college course would be less challenging than an AP course.


Because some people have taken both. Also, AP Bio at most MCPS schools is a double-period course, so much more time is spent in class. The MC equivalents do not have cumulative finals.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 18:54     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some classes are offered at the HS, some are on the MCC campus

Do people think it's worrisome to have a 16-17 year old in a class with older adults?


No. I’ve taught at MC as an adjunct. DH taught at PGCC as an adjunct. There are always some home schooled 16 year olds and 17 year old grads. I was a 17 year old freshman hundreds of miles away from home.


I don't think this is that much of a problem. Students don't socialize as much in MC classes as they do in high school. Students younger than 16 who apply to take Dual Enrollment classes at MC get a special lecture from a Dean about setting appropriate boundaries.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 17:53     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:Some classes are offered at the HS, some are on the MCC campus

Do people think it's worrisome to have a 16-17 year old in a class with older adults?


No. I’ve taught at MC as an adjunct. DH taught at PGCC as an adjunct. There are always some home schooled 16 year olds and 17 year old grads. I was a 17 year old freshman hundreds of miles away from home.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 15:54     Subject: Re:Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would beg to differ given that an associates degree is more challenging than high school credits. While the program is in the early stages, I am positive it will become a highly sought after option and become more competitive as more people find out about it.


I don't think a community college class is more challenging that a magnet class. I am not sure that they are more challenging than an AP class.


I am absolutely positive that a community college class is not more challenging than most AP's (let's ignore AP Computer Science Principles and Human Geography). There are adjuncts who teach both AP classes during the day and MC classes at night. You can ask them.

The Middle College program is really going to be most attractive to families whose children are not seeking to attend very competitive colleges. Many competitive colleges would not accept 2 years worth of credits from Montgomery College anyways. That being said, if you don't care about your child having 4 years at a high-level university and 3 summers of competitive internships, send him/her to Middle College.


That was really smug.

I think a lot of admissions officers at these high-level universities you speak of might be more impressed with moderate income self-starter kids like those in this program than affluent kids whose moms have planned their college careers and very special summer internships.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 08:57     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Some classes are offered at the HS, some are on the MCC campus

Do people think it's worrisome to have a 16-17 year old in a class with older adults?
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 08:53     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:I believe the minimum GPA required for enrolling the program is 2.75. If your DC has late birthday, S/he could be 16 and attend classes with a lots of adults. Different peers and no school bus.


Aren't the classes actually offered at the HS? I thought this was basically AP with a different name and no AP Test. It is often easier for kids to get college credit this way. It is not dependent on just 1 score at the end.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 08:39     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
I believe the minimum GPA required for enrolling the program is 2.75. If your DC has late birthday, S/he could be 16 and attend classes with a lots of adults. Different peers and no school bus.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2018 08:31     Subject: Northwood Middle College program
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it sounds like a great way to transfer into UMD automatically!

I think MD is almost guaranteed to accept students with associates from MD community colleges


But not into the limited majors like engineering

Or business or nursing.

Curious why some posters seem to think that a community college course would be less challenging than an AP course.