Anonymous
Post 10/24/2018 00:44     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.


X1000 this.

+1000. Anyone who is not an intellectually dishonest cretin understands this.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2018 00:30     Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:
Why should college need to be purely about academics? In the US, college has traditionally been about developing academically strong students who have a variety of other talents, including, and especially, leadership. College is about developing leaders who contribute to the good of their communities; it is not only about the academics.

It would limit and reduce the significance of the top schools if they were limited to test scores and GPAs to select students. They are looking for talents and qualities that don't show up on a standardized test.

Leadership development not limited to athletics but these non athletes don’t get preferential treatment. Harvard should forgo federal funds and non profit status if they want to have Z lists, donors, legacies, etc. I do not agree to my taxes being used to support such a racist institution.


Leadership is a huge part of athletics, but, of course, is not limited to athletics. Candidates with other special talents definitely have a higher chance of being accepted. I know a girl who is a musician who got into an Ivy with lower scores and GPA than other kids from her school who applied, but her musical talent made the difference in her application.

College simply isn't strictly about academics in the US. There are plenty of schools in Canada, the U.K., and Europe where schools are only about academics, but that isn't the case in he US.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 23:35     Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies


Why should college need to be purely about academics? In the US, college has traditionally been about developing academically strong students who have a variety of other talents, including, and especially, leadership. College is about developing leaders who contribute to the good of their communities; it is not only about the academics.

It would limit and reduce the significance of the top schools if they were limited to test scores and GPAs to select students. They are looking for talents and qualities that don't show up on a standardized test.


Leadership development not limited to athletics but these non athletes don’t get preferential treatment. Harvard should forgo federal funds and non profit status if they want to have Z lists, donors, legacies, etc. I do not agree to my taxes being used to support such a racist institution.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 23:26     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about the boost white athletes have for entrance to Ivies. Well known in our metro area but getting some wider notice with the Harvard AA case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/10/college-sports-benefits-white-students/573688/

Uh, no. The boost that ATHLETES have for entrance to Ivies. You don't think black/Hispanic athletes get that same boost?


If you bothered to click, the first sentence indicates that 65% of athletes in the Ivies are white. That is much higher than the proportion of white students on those campus. There isn't a single D1 black sailor. 85% of lacrosse players and 90% of hockey players are white. So the athletic tip results in decidedly less diversity at the Ivies.

Then you need to edit your original post. It is factually incorrect and misleading. The bump is not because they are white athletes, the bump is because they are athletes. Yes, the athletes tend to be white, but they're not getting an admissions boost because they are athletes that are white.


Actually, the implication of this white athlete bit -- and the implication of the special lists for big donors or legacy bounces in the Harvard suit -- indirectly support the common concern that working class/middle class white kids who are not athletes have a harder time getting into ivies than other URMs. If a disproportionately high number of accepted student athletes are white and the school is seeking more racial diversity targets, there are likely fewer spots left for other white students even in the absence of fixed quotas.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 23:08     Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Any college or university that has less than, say, 10% admittance rate for unhooked applicants should not give preference to athletics, legacy, race, donors, connected and powerful people. When the institution already has 10 applicants to choose from for every available spot, why allocate some spots to hooked category. If any applicant to such institution wants to be "well rounded" or "multidimensional" let that person work for it while competing with other unhooked students.

All other colleges or universities with greater than 10% admittance rate for unhooked applicants should be allowed to have admissions preferences as they practice now. This way we will have a clearly defined two-tier educational system wherein, the first tier emphasizes excellence in academics while the second tier promotes "well rounded"/"multidimensional" personalities.


Why should college need to be purely about academics? In the US, college has traditionally been about developing academically strong students who have a variety of other talents, including, and especially, leadership. College is about developing leaders who contribute to the good of their communities; it is not only about the academics.

It would limit and reduce the significance of the top schools if they were limited to test scores and GPAs to select students. They are looking for talents and qualities that don't show up on a standardized test.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 23:06     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.


Um, that lawsuit was filed by Asians. They are not pro-white or anti-black/Hispanic.


A white guy is behind the lawsuit.


Same guy behind the Texas lawsuits a while ago.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 22:52     Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Any college or university that has less than, say, 10% admittance rate for unhooked applicants should not give preference to athletics, legacy, race, donors, connected and powerful people. When the institution already has 10 applicants to choose from for every available spot, why allocate some spots to hooked category. If any applicant to such institution wants to be "well rounded" or "multidimensional" let that person work for it while competing with other unhooked students.

All other colleges or universities with greater than 10% admittance rate for unhooked applicants should be allowed to have admissions preferences as they practice now. This way we will have a clearly defined two-tier educational system wherein, the first tier emphasizes excellence in academics while the second tier promotes "well rounded"/"multidimensional" personalities.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 22:34     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Athletic scholarships should be abolished. They only serve to perpetuate racism. College is about academics, period.


IF you want that, you've got Caltech.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 22:31     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.


Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 21:30     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about the boost white athletes have for entrance to Ivies. Well known in our metro area but getting some wider notice with the Harvard AA case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/10/college-sports-benefits-white-students/573688/

Uh, no. The boost that ATHLETES have for entrance to Ivies. You don't think black/Hispanic athletes get that same boost?


If you bothered to click, the first sentence indicates that 65% of athletes in the Ivies are white. That is much higher than the proportion of white students on those campus. There isn't a single D1 black sailor. 85% of lacrosse players and 90% of hockey players are white. So the athletic tip results in decidedly less diversity at the Ivies.


Do you realize just how few Hispanic- and Black-American teens score 30+ on the ACT? Plus play a sport good enough for Ivy? Plus actually WANT to go to an Ivy?
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 21:00     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Athletic scholarships should be abolished. They only serve to perpetuate racism. College is about academics, period.


You can say this as often as you want, but it's not true, nor has it ever been in this country. I think what you mean to say is: "I really wish college was only about academics, because that's what my kids and I are good at.". Why do you think athletic scholarships perpetuate racism? You don't think that white people get them?


I love your post, PP. Spot on!

I will add that the FP doesn't understand the concept of multidimensionality as it relates to scholar athletes. The FP's family apparently is unidimensional.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 20:58     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Athletic scholarships should be abolished. They only serve to perpetuate racism. College is about academics, period.




NO IVY offers athletic scholarships. NOT A SINGLE ONE!!!
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 20:41     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Athletic scholarships should be abolished. They only serve to perpetuate racism. College is about academics, period.


You can say this as often as you want, but it's not true, nor has it ever been in this country. I think what you mean to say is: "I really wish college was only about academics, because that's what my kids and I are good at.". Why do you think athletic scholarships perpetuate racism? You don't think that white people get them?
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 19:11     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Athletic scholarships should be abolished. They only serve to perpetuate racism. College is about academics, period.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2018 19:08     Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.


Um, that lawsuit was filed by Asians. They are not pro-white or anti-black/Hispanic.


A white guy is behind the lawsuit.


He's Jewish. Obviously a white supremacist!