Anonymous wrote:But then why bitch about it ad nauseam?

FWIW, I had a career I loved, and I made pennies. I never complained about the pay because I knew what I was getting in to beforehand, and I knew it would never change. I loved it regardless.

Np so people are never allowed to complain and if they do that means they should quit? That means a lot of people would quit! Including stay at home parents!

I have more ex-teacher friends than teacher friends now, so yes, they do quit.

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Anonymous wrote:they do, in droves.

+1 There are teacher shortages across the country

False, there are many more people with teaching degrees graduating than there are jobs. There are localized shortages, but that has to do with local conditions - I.e. people are not beating down the doors to teach at high poverty schools in some urban and rural areas.

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Anonymous wrote:For the same reason you are on an anonymous board complaining about them complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:In addition to the above comments, it’s what they’re trained to do...it’s what they know and are presumably good at. What do you propose they do instead when their degree is in teaching?

That’s fine. But:

Why go to school to become a teacher when it’s common knowledge they are an underpaid profession? And then complain constantly.

If it is such a passion, then don’t complain.

Is this not true? I mean, sure teachers should make more, I agree, but they’ve been complaining about it since I was in school 20 years ago. Nothing has changed so the complaining has been for nothing. Tax payers don’t want to pay more.

So either be a teacher because it’s a passion, fully knowing you’ll be underpaid, or stop complaining.

Because teachers ONLY complain on anonymous websites.

And never in internationally read newsmagazines or newspapers

Anonymous wrote:For the same reason you are on an anonymous board complaining about them complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:In addition to the above comments, it’s what they’re trained to do...it’s what they know and are presumably good at. What do you propose they do instead when their degree is in teaching?

That’s fine. But:

Why go to school to become a teacher when it’s common knowledge they are an underpaid profession? And then complain constantly.

If it is such a passion, then don’t complain.

Is this not true? I mean, sure teachers should make more, I agree, but they’ve been complaining about it since I was in school 20 years ago. Nothing has changed so the complaining has been for nothing. Tax payers don’t want to pay more.

So either be a teacher because it’s a passion, fully knowing you’ll be underpaid, or stop complaining.

Because teachers ONLY complain on anonymous websites.

Yes they are suggesting that...or just suck it up.

Anonymous wrote:I got my teaching degree (Master’s) 18 years ago. Nefore all thencurrent crap started. And because decisions are being made by non-educators, this crap is here to stay.

So I got into a profession I have great enthusiasm but which ultimately changed in a very unpleasant direction. So you’re suggestion is that I take my six years of schooling and my professional license, and 18 years of experience, and just leave?

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Anonymous wrote:If they don't get the respect and income they think they deserve, why stay?

Because some people do things because they a) believe they are the right thing to do, b) choose a profession and see it as a calling, c) let things other than money drive all their career decisions, d) consider teaching as an honorable, if unappreciated position like police officers, fire fighters, etc.

If everyone did things because of the money this world would be a scary and lonely place.

I'm not a teacher - but I can point to one in my life that made such a difference for me that it changed my life if not for their very importance guidance and help when I was young.

Then why complain non stop?

For the same reason you are on an anonymous board complaining about them complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:In addition to the above comments, it’s what they’re trained to do...it’s what they know and are presumably good at. What do you propose they do instead when their degree is in teaching?

That’s fine. But:

Why go to school to become a teacher when it’s common knowledge they are an underpaid profession? And then complain constantly.

If it is such a passion, then don’t complain.

Is this not true? I mean, sure teachers should make more, I agree, but they’ve been complaining about it since I was in school 20 years ago. Nothing has changed so the complaining has been for nothing. Tax payers don’t want to pay more.

So either be a teacher because it’s a passion, fully knowing you’ll be underpaid, or stop complaining.

60K for working 9 months is the same as 80K for 12 months. Not bad. And it only takes a 4 year degree and maybe a certification.

Many, many do.

Anonymous wrote:they do, in droves.

+1 There are teacher shortages across the country

In this area, they have pretty decent incomes. They only work 10 months a year.

Anonymous wrote:If they don't get the respect and income they think they deserve, why stay?

Thousands quit every year. Some between the last day of school and the start of a new year. Some in the middle of the year. A few in the middle of class.

Those who stay almost always are those who love kids and understand the children are not the problem. Even in a tough school, the children aren’t the root cause of the chaos. And sometimes, for the toughest kids, a particular teacher is the lifeline. Leaving means being just one more person who gave up on them. So the teachers stay, work a couple side jobs, get stress-related illnesses, and keep teaching. At least, that’s what my mom did. Her last year, she taught a sixth grader whose grandmother she had a student.

I got my teaching degree (Master’s) 18 years ago. Nefore all thencurrent crap started. And because decisions are being made by non-educators, this crap is here to stay.

So I got into a profession I have great enthusiasm but which ultimately changed in a very unpleasant direction. So you’re suggestion is that I take my six years of schooling and my professional license, and 18 years of experience, and just leave?

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Anonymous wrote:But then why bitch about it ad nauseam?

FWIW, I had a career I loved, and I made pennies. I never complained about the pay because I knew what I was getting in to beforehand, and I knew it would never change. I loved it regardless.

Kudos to you and all that but everyone is different. And not all teachers are "bitching" all the time.

People are allowed to vent - if taking your stance if once people get married are they just supposed to STFU about their spouse? We'd all be single, I promise you.

You don't sound like you are well versed in social dynamics and life in general.

Well, it’s like going and buying a green car but then complaining your car is green. Or going to donate blood but hen being upset it hurt and you were tired afterwards. Or complaining that your husband is lazy when he was lazy before you married him.

Nobody wants to hear people complain about things they knew about and had control over. That’s different from venting and you know it.

I don't know it. I still think you sound out of sorts.

You're not the complaint police. It sounds real personal honestly. You need to go to the complainer and tell them that you're obviously not a sympathetic ear and that you don't like to hear it.

YOU are complaining about something totally in your control - ironic honestly. Why listen to someone complain if you're just going to complain about it?