Anonymous
09/04/2018 13:55
Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.
I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand what you are saying? Do you mean that there are schools with, for example, 40% FARMS rate that are achieving 50%proficiency? I don’t really see that as surprising.
I don't really understand what OP is saying either. Weird sentence structure
Anonymous
09/04/2018 13:40
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
Yes, this is a big problem for math but doesn't explain ELA. I think it is a curriculum problem. Mcps doesn't align with PARCC expectations. My child consistently gets high 4/low 5 on Math in ES. Always high 3 on ELA. Always has trouble with the writing part according to the report. Reads above level but can't write. I plan to get a tutor this year.
My kid consistently does better on the ELA than on the math. I don't think it's possible to draw valid conclusions about the alignment of the curriculum to PARCC, based on one child.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 13:34
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-maryland-parcc-scores-20180828-htmlstory.html
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.
My understanding is that the Algebra scores are jacked because they are only looking at kids who take Algebra in HS. I think the "on grade level" curriculum currently has students taking Algebra in 8th grade, and many take it in 7th. They are not counted in a HS's Algebra pass rate. I'm not sure exactly how it works, just that the kids taking algebra in middle school mess up the numbers in some way.
Yes, this is a big problem for math but doesn't explain ELA. I think it is a curriculum problem. Mcps doesn't align with PARCC expectations. My child consistently gets high 4/low 5 on Math in ES. Always high 3 on ELA. Always has trouble with the writing part according to the report. Reads above level but can't write. I plan to get a tutor this year.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 13:22
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-maryland-parcc-scores-20180828-htmlstory.html
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.
My understanding is that the Algebra scores are jacked because they are only looking at kids who take Algebra in HS. I think the "on grade level" curriculum currently has students taking Algebra in 8th grade, and many take it in 7th. They are not counted in a HS's Algebra pass rate. I'm not sure exactly how it works, just that the kids taking algebra in middle school mess up the numbers in some way.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 13:13
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Here's another disturbing aspect of the PARCC pass rates.
If you look at a high performing W school like Travilah ES you see a 90% pass rate for 4th grade English and only a 79% pass rate for the 5th grade English. Potomac ES follows a similar pattern with a 88% pass rate for 4th and a drop to 75% in 5th grade. In Rockville, Richie Park has 56% passing 4th grade English and 77% passing 5th grade English.
These are big gaps between grades in the same school.
If you look at a high performing W school like Travilah ES you see a 90% pass rate for 4th grade English and only a 79% pass rate for the 5th grade English. Potomac ES follows a similar pattern with a 88% pass rate for 4th and a drop to 75% in 5th grade. In Rockville, Richie Park has 56% passing 4th grade English and 77% passing 5th grade English.
These are big gaps between grades in the same school.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 13:02
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
A school's PARCC average simply reflects the area's SES. Schools with high FARMs rates have a higher deviation in their scores. The OP's premise is wrong.
OMG look at the data and pull your head out of the sand.
The data shows that across all schools students are failing at percentages higher than the FARMS rate. Rachel Carson, despite having almost no FARMS students is not doing much better than Piney Branch which has many FARMS students.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 12:58
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-maryland-parcc-scores-20180828-htmlstory.html
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.I have a kid at Piney Branch and the scores are nowhere near as good as they should be, considering they have a local CES center and no resulting "brain drain" for last year's 4th graders. It's a shame, but when the full scores come out I expect to see a much larger racial and economic achievement gap at PBES than at nearby schools with similar demographics. I can't figure out whether the problem is that my fellow white PBES parents advocate so vociferously for their kids to get the lion's share of the resources, or whether the middle class kids are just skating by on the resources they have at home, but I'm alarmed by how large the gap has been in recent years.
Except Piney Branch is doing WAY better than Rachel Carson considering that Piney Branch has so many FARMS students and Rachel Carson has hardly any FARMS students.
You're right. Sorry for thread-jacking. RCES should be doing much better than it is, if we assume PARCC is a reflection of both home support and classroom teaching.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 12:55
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-maryland-parcc-scores-20180828-htmlstory.html
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.
A school's PARCC average simply reflects the area's SES. Schools with high FARMs rates have a higher deviation in their scores. The OP's premise is wrong.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 12:49
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-maryland-parcc-scores-20180828-htmlstory.html
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.I have a kid at Piney Branch and the scores are nowhere near as good as they should be, considering they have a local CES center and no resulting "brain drain" for last year's 4th graders. It's a shame, but when the full scores come out I expect to see a much larger racial and economic achievement gap at PBES than at nearby schools with similar demographics. I can't figure out whether the problem is that my fellow white PBES parents advocate so vociferously for their kids to get the lion's share of the resources, or whether the middle class kids are just skating by on the resources they have at home, but I'm alarmed by how large the gap has been in recent years.
Except Piney Branch is doing WAY better than Rachel Carson considering that Piney Branch has so many FARMS students and Rachel Carson has hardly any FARMS students.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 12:40
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-maryland-parcc-scores-20180828-htmlstory.html
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.
I have a kid at Piney Branch and the scores are nowhere near as good as they should be, considering they have a local CES center and no resulting "brain drain" for last year's 4th graders. It's a shame, but when the full scores come out I expect to see a much larger racial and economic achievement gap at PBES than at nearby schools with similar demographics. I can't figure out whether the problem is that my fellow white PBES parents advocate so vociferously for their kids to get the lion's share of the resources, or whether the middle class kids are just skating by on the resources they have at home, but I'm alarmed by how large the gap has been in recent years.
Anonymous
09/04/2018 12:29
Subject: Re:PARCC scores not aligning with SES
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-maryland-parcc-scores-20180828-htmlstory.html
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.
You can look up schools here. I just looked up Rachel Carson/Quince Orchard which is an area that we are considering.
It doesn't make sense why the % of kids failing to reach proficiency is so high. RC is in the 60s (E 57-69 and M 52-70)but the FARMS rate is very low. QO is 64 for English and 13 for Algebra. NW which has many more FARMS students is almost identical.
Piney Branch is in the 40s BUT there are at least 4 times more FARMS students at PB. Blair is 54 for English and 5.0 for Algebra but again there are lots of FARMS students.
Anonymous
09/03/2018 17:43
Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:
uh huh
b/c so many PhD/medical students have kids enrolled in MCPS schools
Let's get real, genius. Low SES in schools is more often THAN NOT related to poverty. We're not talking about families with a PhD mom or dad working in a non-profit while parent two stays home.
If you're talking about people who are poor, then say that. "Low SES" is not a euphemism for "poor".
Anonymous
09/03/2018 16:11
Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.
I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand what you are saying? Do you mean that there are schools with, for example, 40% FARMS rate that are achieving 50%proficiency? I don’t really see that as surprising.
Anonymous
09/03/2018 15:31
Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.
Please post data.
Anonymous
09/03/2018 13:06
Subject: PARCC scores not aligning with SES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some posters constantly want to dismiss performance scores because they believe they only reflect SES. The PARCC scores don't align with this view and many schools with lower rates of students achieving proficiency are doing so at percentages much higher than their FARMS rates.
A school's average on a test like PARCC is a reflection of its overall SES. However, has nothing to do with an individual performance. Some schools are very diverse while other's are homogenous to both extremes within the county.
Why is this written as a possessive? It is a simple plural. How much education do you have, poster?
My phone sometimes will "autocorrect" to put in an apostrophe that's not supposed to be there.