Anonymous wrote:Well I assume that some of my produce has been picked and processed by undocumented workers. Otherwise I don't tend to know if people are undocumented or not. Years ago I knew a fun grad student from Great Britain who overextended her visa. Not sure if she ever went back because I lost touch with her.

Yeah, my family's in big ag, illegals are key. Not sure whether anyone on the political spectrum can feel good about this. Yes, the illegals make things 'cheap' in the short run, but there are definitely some long-run issues. If you struggle with this idea, realize that fossil fuels probably make your day more convenient while at the same time the planet less habitable. the immigration debate is actually quite similar in that people are more confused about their interests than they realize.

BTW, I think the immigration debate should begin with a serious discussion about how the U.S. contributes to dynamics that essential force people to immigrate. This includes well over a century of economic imperialism in LatAm and a whole host of bad policy in MENA. Correcting these long-standing bad habits by the U.S. should be priority number 1 both for people who see the corrosive capacity of immigration (both illegal AND legal) as well as those we feel a legit humanitarian impulse to help the vulnerable.

The people most incensed about ILLEGAL immigration are shrugging off Cohen campaign finance violations which tells you all you need to know. They don't really care that much about the law. They're mostly upset about illegal IMMIGRATION.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up along the border. My school was about slightly over half Hispanic. My best friend was a first generation Mexican and my DH is from SA. I never know the immigration status of people but I have zero issue with most undocumented workers. They typically are extremely hard working and family oriented people. They are an asset to our country. They are trying to improve their lives and the lives of their children. I love the culture I grew up in. It was a mix of Mexican and Native American traditions.

The US appetite for illegal drugs has destroyed Mexico. Mexico has changed dramatically since I was a kid. I used to go across the border all the time. It is really sad that Americans have grown so bigoted but it is their drug problem that has made Mexico the narcoterrorist mess in many States.

This whole drama stoked by Republicans is just naked bigotry. There is nothing to fear from minorities. They are no more prone to criminality than whites.

Here we go with the "hard working" excuses for illegals.

+ 1 And just look at how that liberal PP blames Americans and defends the illegals. I'm seeing this attitude more and more among liberals, and if they don't drop their nonsense, they will lose again.

Anonymous wrote:I grew up along the border. My school was about slightly over half Hispanic. My best friend was a first generation Mexican and my DH is from SA. I never know the immigration status of people but I have zero issue with most undocumented workers. They typically are extremely hard working and family oriented people. They are an asset to our country. They are trying to improve their lives and the lives of their children. I love the culture I grew up in. It was a mix of Mexican and Native American traditions.

The US appetite for illegal drugs has destroyed Mexico. Mexico has changed dramatically since I was a kid. I used to go across the border all the time. It is really sad that Americans have grown so bigoted but it is their drug problem that has made Mexico the narcoterrorist mess in many States.

This whole drama stoked by Republicans is just naked bigotry. There is nothing to fear from minorities. They are no more prone to criminality than whites.

Here we go with the "hard working" excuses for illegals.

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Anonymous wrote:If a burglar breaks into my house and he falls down the stairs, should I have to pay his hospital bill? Or pay for the lawyer to defend him when I bring charged for breaking and entering?

If you lured the burglar into your house, then yes, you should pay.

We, especially republican farmers, lure illegal immigrants into the country with employment prospects. And you happily slurp up all the agriculture they produce for you while you froth with rage about their presence.

SO confusing! I thought republicans were evil because they are against illegal entry?

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Anonymous wrote:Not me, but someone I know. She and her husband bought a SF house in Silver Spring more than 10 years ago, with one toddler at the time. Now she has two children nearing high school age, and the public school have gone downhill beyond belief. Just TERRIBLE. Scores far below the county average, with high ESOL and FARM rates, and at least a third certainly illegal. They can't afford private school, and can't afford a SF house in a better school district. They are seriously considering selling their house (which is really nice and in great shape) and buying an older townhouse in Bethesda for the same money.

Oh look it's the anti-SS poster from the real estate and MD schools thread whose migrated over into the politics forum.

Hi SS-hater poster! We see you!

Nope. That's someone else. I never to to the real estate forum.

Are you upset because I pointed out a negative impact of illegal immigration?

No I am rolling my eyes at someone who doesn't know Silver Spring very well. Love our vibrant diverse neighorhood and our vibrant diverse schools. My kids regularly test in the 96-99% on all standardized tests, sorry to burst your bubble! But we're happy people like you don't want to live here.

Sorry Jeff, I'll stop after this one so as not to derail thread.

I know Silver Soring very well. I grew up there, and when I went, the schools were great. Now they are unrecognizable, at least the one my friend's kids are fated to attend. It is the lowest scoring school in the county. You can pretend it's all fine and dandy, but the influx of poor, non-Engkish speaking illegal immigrants has not been without a serious negative impact.

Anonymous wrote:If a burglar breaks into my house and he falls down the stairs, should I have to pay his hospital bill? Or pay for the lawyer to defend him when I bring charged for breaking and entering?

If you lured the burglar into your house, then yes, you should pay.

We, especially republican farmers, lure illegal immigrants into the country with employment prospects. And you happily slurp up all the agriculture they produce for you while you froth with rage about their presence.

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Anonymous wrote:Not me, but someone I know. She and her husband bought a SF house in Silver Spring more than 10 years ago, with one toddler at the time. Now she has two children nearing high school age, and the public school have gone downhill beyond belief. Just TERRIBLE. Scores far below the county average, with high ESOL and FARM rates, and at least a third certainly illegal. They can't afford private school, and can't afford a SF house in a better school district. They are seriously considering selling their house (which is really nice and in great shape) and buying an older townhouse in Bethesda for the same money.

Oh look it's the anti-SS poster from the real estate and MD schools thread whose migrated over into the politics forum.

Hi SS-hater poster! We see you!

Nope. That's someone else. I never to to the real estate forum.

Are you upset because I pointed out a negative impact of illegal immigration?

No I am rolling my eyes at someone who doesn't know Silver Spring very well. Love our vibrant diverse neighorhood and our vibrant diverse schools. My kids regularly test in the 96-99% on all standardized tests, sorry to burst your bubble! But we're happy people like you don't want to live here.

Sorry Jeff, I'll stop after this one so as not to derail thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I know an undocumented person who was hit by a US citizen drunk driver while walking down the street after work. He’s needed long-term care and the US citizen hasn’t had to pay for any of it. We lost one hard working person for no reason other than the sense of entitlement of the US citizen who had no regard for the lives of others. Now the rest of the victim’s family, who are all here legally, are paying all the medical bills, not legally required, but just because that’s who they are.

Huh? That's your response? The illegal alien shoul not have been here in the first place! If he had obeyed U.S. law, he wouldn't been hit. You can't say the same thing about a citizen who is hit by an illegal. They are not equivalent situations.

The liberal arguments keep going downhill.

Unfortunately many who are here without permission become victims of crime by US citizens. The US citizens know the immigrants won’t go to the police so they rape them, assault them, steal from them, fail to pay them for work, and all sorts of other horrors. These people come to work and are highly vulnerable to being exploited. It’s a really sad state of affairs. They need better protections, which is one reason why so many jurisdictions seek the cooperation of the community. RWNJs call these smart places “sanctuary cities” as if that’s a bad thing.

The illegal aliens need better protection from U.S. citizens? What if the illegals just obeyed the law and don't come here? They have no right to be here, and yet your priority and sympathy lies with THEM?

No wonder the liberals lost. Crazy.

You want to see how crazy? Here's a German girl apologizing to her migrant rapist for raping her:


Here is her Facebook statement (in German)

http://archive.is/XZsev

This is the translated version (in article).

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/16/member-of-german-left-youth-party-apologizes-to-refugees-on-facebook-after-alleged-sexual-assault-by-migrant/

Thanks to illegal immigrants, I am able to spend less money on pork chops and pork rinds because Republican hog farmers employ them for their cheap labor.

Well I assume that some of my produce has been picked and processed by undocumented workers. Otherwise I don't tend to know if people are undocumented or not. Years ago I knew a fun grad student from Great Britain who overextended her visa. Not sure if she ever went back because I lost touch with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Not me, but someone I know. She and her husband bought a SF house in Silver Spring more than 10 years ago, with one toddler at the time. Now she has two children nearing high school age, and the public school have gone downhill beyond belief. Just TERRIBLE. Scores far below the county average, with high ESOL and FARM rates, and at least a third certainly illegal. They can't afford private school, and can't afford a SF house in a better school district. They are seriously considering selling their house (which is really nice and in great shape) and buying an older townhouse in Bethesda for the same money.

Oh look it's the anti-SS poster from the real estate and MD schools thread whose migrated over into the politics forum.

Hi SS-hater poster! We see you!

Nope. That's someone else. I never to to the real estate forum.

Are you upset because I pointed out a negative impact of illegal immigration?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know an undocumented person who was hit by a US citizen drunk driver while walking down the street after work. He’s needed long-term care and the US citizen hasn’t had to pay for any of it. We lost one hard working person for no reason other than the sense of entitlement of the US citizen who had no regard for the lives of others. Now the rest of the victim’s family, who are all here legally, are paying all the medical bills, not legally required, but just because that’s who they are.

Huh? That's your response? The illegal alien shoul not have been here in the first place! If he had obeyed U.S. law, he wouldn't been hit. You can't say the same thing about a citizen who is hit by an illegal. They are not equivalent situations.

The liberal arguments keep going downhill.

Unfortunately many who are here without permission become victims of crime by US citizens. The US citizens know the immigrants won’t go to the police so they rape them, assault them, steal from them, fail to pay them for work, and all sorts of other horrors. These people come to work and are highly vulnerable to being exploited. It’s a really sad state of affairs. They need better protections, which is one reason why so many jurisdictions seek the cooperation of the community. RWNJs call these smart places “sanctuary cities” as if that’s a bad thing.

The illegal aliens need better protection from U.S. citizens? What if the illegals just obeyed the law and don't come here? They have no right to be here, and yet your priority and sympathy lies with THEM?

No wonder the liberals lost. Crazy.

Anonymous wrote:Not me, but someone I know. She and her husband bought a SF house in Silver Spring more than 10 years ago, with one toddler at the time. Now she has two children nearing high school age, and the public school have gone downhill beyond belief. Just TERRIBLE. Scores far below the county average, with high ESOL and FARM rates, and at least a third certainly illegal. They can't afford private school, and can't afford a SF house in a better school district. They are seriously considering selling their house (which is really nice and in great shape) and buying an older townhouse in Bethesda for the same money.

Oh look it's the anti-SS poster from the real estate and MD schools thread whose migrated over into the politics forum.

Hi SS-hater poster! We see you!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know an undocumented person who was hit by a US citizen drunk driver while walking down the street after work. He’s needed long-term care and the US citizen hasn’t had to pay for any of it. We lost one hard working person for no reason other than the sense of entitlement of the US citizen who had no regard for the lives of others. Now the rest of the victim’s family, who are all here legally, are paying all the medical bills, not legally required, but just because that’s who they are.

Huh? That's your response? The illegal alien shoul not have been here in the first place! If he had obeyed U.S. law, he wouldn't been hit. You can't say the same thing about a citizen who is hit by an illegal. They are not equivalent situations.

The liberal arguments keep going downhill.

Unfortunately many who are here without permission become victims of crime by US citizens. The US citizens know the immigrants won’t go to the police so they rape them, assault them, steal from them, fail to pay them for work, and all sorts of other horrors. These people come to work and are highly vulnerable to being exploited. It’s a really sad state of affairs. They need better protections, which is one reason why so many jurisdictions seek the cooperation of the community. RWNJs call these smart places “sanctuary cities” as if that’s a bad thing.