Anonymous wrote:

Vladimir Putin told Russian diplomats that he made a proposal to Donald Trump at their summit this week to hold a referendum to help resolve the conflict in eastern Ukraine, but agreed not to disclose the plan publicly so the U.S. president could consider it, according to two people who attended Putin’s closed-door speech on Thursday. Details of what the two leaders discussed in their summit in Helsinki, Finland, remain scarce, with much of the description so far coming from Russia. ...

Putin’s proposal would call for a vote conducted under international auspices by the residents of the separatist territories on their status ...

Putin’s proposal will alarm Ukrainian officials after Trump last week appeared to leave open the possibility of recognizing Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, which triggered the crisis that led to fighting in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions. ...

The U.S. and the European Union have repeatedly accused Russia of sending troops and weapons to support separatists in eastern Ukraine. Russia denies the charge, though Ukraine has captured a number of Russian soldiers and weaponry on its territory.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/putin-said-to-have-made-trump-a-new-offer-on-ukraine-at-summit

So Trump is considering whether to support Russia's invasion of Ukraine - which was in clear violation of international law - and Trump asked Putin to keep the proposal secret from the public while Trump considers it. Trump is hiding serious policy changes from the US public.

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Anonymous wrote:

The deal is to let Russia have eastern Ukraine AND Crimea, it appears, in return for getting Iranian troops out of Southern Syria. I had previously heard ALL of Syria, but I guess our master negotiator couldnt get even that. It would of course be impossible to enforce, and would be a disaster for us in eastern europe.

Source?


I don't like letting Russia have eastern Ukraine and Crimea--but, isn't that pretty much what they already have done? For the last few years? Wouldn't getting Russian troops out of Syria be a plus? A step in the right direction?

Wouldn't it have been better had the prior administration done something when this first happened?

The prior administration did do something when Russia took Crimea. Also, it's not getting Russian troops out of Syria, it's giving Syria to Russia and getting other troops out of Russia. Possibly.

False. Prior administration not only didn’t do anything, but also refused provide Ukraine with any military assistance.

Anonymous wrote:

Vladimir Putin told Russian diplomats that he made a proposal to Donald Trump at their summit this week to hold a referendum to help resolve the conflict in eastern Ukraine, but agreed not to disclose the plan publicly so the U.S. president could consider it, according to two people who attended Putin’s closed-door speech on Thursday. Details of what the two leaders discussed in their summit in Helsinki, Finland, remain scarce, with much of the description so far coming from Russia. ...

Putin’s proposal would call for a vote conducted under international auspices by the residents of the separatist territories on their status ...

Putin’s proposal will alarm Ukrainian officials after Trump last week appeared to leave open the possibility of recognizing Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, which triggered the crisis that led to fighting in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions. ...

The U.S. and the European Union have repeatedly accused Russia of sending troops and weapons to support separatists in eastern Ukraine. Russia denies the charge, though Ukraine has captured a number of Russian soldiers and weaponry on its territory.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/putin-said-to-have-made-trump-a-new-offer-on-ukraine-at-summit

So Trump is considering whether to support Russia's invasion of Ukraine - which was in clear violation of international law - and Trump asked Putin to keep the proposal secret from the public while Trump considers it. Trump is hiding serious policy changes from the US public.

Vladimir Putin told Russian diplomats that he made a proposal to Donald Trump at their summit this week to hold a referendum to help resolve the conflict in eastern Ukraine, but agreed not to disclose the plan publicly so the U.S. president could consider it, according to two people who attended Putin’s closed-door speech on Thursday. Details of what the two leaders discussed in their summit in Helsinki, Finland, remain scarce, with much of the description so far coming from Russia. ...

Putin’s proposal would call for a vote conducted under international auspices by the residents of the separatist territories on their status ...

Putin’s proposal will alarm Ukrainian officials after Trump last week appeared to leave open the possibility of recognizing Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, which triggered the crisis that led to fighting in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions. ...

The U.S. and the European Union have repeatedly accused Russia of sending troops and weapons to support separatists in eastern Ukraine. Russia denies the charge, though Ukraine has captured a number of Russian soldiers and weaponry on its territory.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/putin-said-to-have-made-trump-a-new-offer-on-ukraine-at-summit

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The deal is to let Russia have eastern Ukraine AND Crimea, it appears, in return for getting Iranian troops out of Southern Syria. I had previously heard ALL of Syria, but I guess our master negotiator couldnt get even that. It would of course be impossible to enforce, and would be a disaster for us in eastern europe.

Source?


I don't like letting Russia have eastern Ukraine and Crimea--but, isn't that pretty much what they already have done? For the last few years? Wouldn't getting Russian troops out of Syria be a plus? A step in the right direction?

Wouldn't it have been better had the prior administration done something when this first happened?

The prior administration did do something when Russia took Crimea. Also, it's not getting Russian troops out of Syria, it's giving Syria to Russia and getting other troops out of Russia. Possibly.

Anonymous wrote:This is what we get when we have someone in the Presidency with no foreign policy experience, no understanding of history, and the lack of desire to learn either of these through briefings. We have a stooge and moron running things.

Anonymous wrote:

The deal is to let Russia have eastern Ukraine AND Crimea, it appears, in return for getting Iranian troops out of Southern Syria. I had previously heard ALL of Syria, but I guess our master negotiator couldnt get even that. It would of course be impossible to enforce, and would be a disaster for us in eastern europe.

Source?


I don't like letting Russia have eastern Ukraine and Crimea--but, isn't that pretty much what they already have done? For the last few years? Wouldn't getting Russian troops out of Syria be a plus? A step in the right direction?

Wouldn't it have been better had the prior administration done something when this first happened?

Anonymous wrote:Yup this whole deal is created between Bibi and Putin and Trump (as a Putin stooge) has agreed to it. The information about this deal is breaking from Russian TV first.

BTW - Trump is saying hea has also made a deal with Putin with Russia.

So basically USA foreign policy in middle east, eastern Europe and south Asia is now controlled by Putin - Trump handed that over to him in his secret meeting.

Anonymous wrote:This is what we get when we have someone in the Presidency with no foreign policy experience, no understanding of history, and the lack of desire to learn either of these through briefings. We have a stooge and moron running things.