Anonymous wrote:Yeah, but intelligent people will see that there’s no moral equivalency between making racist arguments and pointing out that someone else is making racist arguments.

+1

Yeah, but intelligent people will see that there’s no moral equivalency between making racist arguments and pointing out that someone else is making racist arguments.

Anonymous wrote:Now is not a time to mince words.

Goes both ways.

Now is not a time to mince words.

Anonymous wrote:I think they’re trial balloons to see if racist positions can be successfully represented as non-racist.

You need to stop with the name calling.

I think they’re trial balloons to see if racist positions can be successfully represented as non-racist.

Do you get the feeling that some of these threads exist explicitly to stir the pot?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the DACA kids will likely become US citizens, I'm not sure why you don't count it as a good thing for them to receive aid and attend college?

How? What path has been made available to them to become US citizens?
Obama let them stay, and left them hanging.
Congress did nothing.
Trump is completely chaotic.
Congress still does nothing.

Until they have a path to citizenship, it's cruel. It may be a waste of a spot if the university doesn't wish to educate someone who has a high chance of ending up living in another country.

About half of the young people I know who were undocumented/DACA did get permanent resident or citizenship status during college, so many of them do have a path, it's just often slow and expensive.

You apparently know some of the lucky ones who have a relative who is a citizen who can sponsor them. Or they married a US citizen. Or they were fortunate enough to have entered legally.

But for the DACA recipient who doesn't have a relative who is a citizen and can sponsor them, isn't married to a US citizen, and never entered legally, there is no path.

Which is ludicrous. If you're going to establish a program that allows someone to stay, then that should include a way for them to become a legal resident or citizen and not continuously subject to the whims of the administration.

I stand by my belief that not providing these people with a stable path forward is cruel. We dangle the prospect of them being able to stay without actually doing the work required to make it possible.

What about the DACA parents who came into this country illegally? I don't blame the kids because they had no choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these children of illegal immigrants taking spots and resources from US citizens and residents, or are they ultimately for the greater good?

“Taking spots”? If your kid can’t get spot on their own, they don’t deserve it.

You're not accounting for affirmative action policies.

Anonymous wrote:Are these children of illegal immigrants taking spots and resources from US citizens and residents, or are they ultimately for the greater good?

Greater good. My immigrant students are hard workers who believe in the American Dream more than my US born students do. They bring fresh perspectives and ideas that both academic communities and workspaces need. And the dreamers want to stay, unlike many foreign students who plan to go back home after using our world class universities. Chinese moms aren’t engaging in birth tourism so their son can one day live in your neighborhood and work alongside your kids. They do it so he can return to the US for college and grad school, then become a wealthy man in China. Contrast that with the Salvadoran kid who wants to become an entrepreneur here or the girl from Guatemalan who wants to build better public transportation systems here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the DACA kids will likely become US citizens, I'm not sure why you don't count it as a good thing for them to receive aid and attend college?

How? What path has been made available to them to become US citizens?
Obama let them stay, and left them hanging.
Congress did nothing.
Trump is completely chaotic.
Congress still does nothing.

Until they have a path to citizenship, it's cruel. It may be a waste of a spot if the university doesn't wish to educate someone who has a high chance of ending up living in another country.

About half of the young people I know who were undocumented/DACA did get permanent resident or citizenship status during college, so many of them do have a path, it's just often slow and expensive.

DACAs are American kids. They deserve the same shot as anyone.

Anonymous wrote:Are these children of illegal immigrants taking spots and resources from US citizens and residents, or are they ultimately for the greater good?

Every seat taken by a DACA is one less American kid in the school. So no.

Also most have bee here since little. They are our neighbors, etc. I am 100% for DACA and the benefit to America.

Most of these DACA kids are as American as my kids in my eyes. And some of them are smarter and more accomplished than my kids and will go to better colleges. Good for them!