Anonymous
Post 06/23/2018 19:21     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:OP,

At grade level MAP 99th percentile is really easy. It is based nation wide sample. This area is known to have many high achievers

I got my DC MAP-M score from 3rd Grade (fall) of 244 to 5th Grade of 295 --- not gifted at all


The thing is the county's graphs show their averages are within a few percentiles of the national norms. Sure people want to believe that our county is special but it is more likely that 99% locally is also very uncommon.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2018 11:43     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At my school (pretty high average SES level, but not Potomac high), we have 2-3 per grade level in the upper grades. There are many more k-2, a few in grade 3, and even fewer in grades 4-5 (due to a couple of high scorers switching to a magnet program).

In the on grade level classes (not compacted), the "high" children are in the 70th percentiles.

So, 99th percentile might not be as common as people on this board think unless you are only looking at magnet programs.


Do you work at the school? Would you say a kid at 40% is an extreme outlier on the low side?




I am a teacher in the upper elementary grades. 40% is not an extreme outlier (we have a few kids below 25%), but it is pretty low. My own daughter is scoring at a similar level but has an IEP with a math goal. If your child is doing well in class and can do his/her homework, I would look at whether your child is able to retain concepts from earlier in the year. Having your child do basic math concepts and repeat them a lot might help.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2018 11:36     Subject: Re:How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Very common in the magnet population.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2018 11:27     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:At my school (pretty high average SES level, but not Potomac high), we have 2-3 per grade level in the upper grades. There are many more k-2, a few in grade 3, and even fewer in grades 4-5 (due to a couple of high scorers switching to a magnet program).

In the on grade level classes (not compacted), the "high" children are in the 70th percentiles.

So, 99th percentile might not be as common as people on this board think unless you are only looking at magnet programs.


Do you work at the school? Would you say a kid at 40% is an extreme outlier on the low side?
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2018 11:25     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP,

At grade level MAP 99th percentile is really easy. It is based nation wide sample. This area is known to have many high achievers

I got my DC MAP-M score from 3rd Grade (fall) of 244 to 5th Grade of 295 --- not gifted at all


I don't think you can take MAP out of grade level, but maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you talking about comparing the RIT score with RIT scores in higher grade levels?

295 is extremely high for for fifth grade. What makes you say 'not gifted?'


Yeah, 295 is way high. like unheard of high. Maybe the top 8th grade magnet students at TPMS are getting that. 250s is very high for 5th grade, 260s super high.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2018 11:13     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:It's hard to say exactly how common it is, but it's not uncommon. My kid was admitted to a CES and he typically scored in the 99percentile 2-4 grades ahead depending on the year.


RIT scores can not tell you that a kid is 2-4 grade levels ahead. Check out https://community.nwea.org/docs/DOC-2841
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2018 10:51     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP,

At grade level MAP 99th percentile is really easy. It is based nation wide sample. This area is known to have many high achievers

I got my DC MAP-M score from 3rd Grade (fall) of 244 to 5th Grade of 295 --- not gifted at all


I don't think you can take MAP out of grade level, but maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you talking about comparing the RIT score with RIT scores in higher grade levels?

295 is extremely high for for fifth grade. What makes you say 'not gifted?'


MAP has limit on grade at all. More high level math exposure can lead very high MAP-M score. It is computer interactive system, a 5th grade may face high school math problem generated from the system. It is like a scale to measure a child's height and weight. "not gifted" simply means my DC was not selected into CES.


I meant has no limit on grade


Not true: https://community.nwea.org/docs/DOC-2841

Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 21:02     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP,

At grade level MAP 99th percentile is really easy. It is based nation wide sample. This area is known to have many high achievers

I got my DC MAP-M score from 3rd Grade (fall) of 244 to 5th Grade of 295 --- not gifted at all


I don't think you can take MAP out of grade level, but maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you talking about comparing the RIT score with RIT scores in higher grade levels?

295 is extremely high for for fifth grade. What makes you say 'not gifted?'


MAP has limit on grade at all. More high level math exposure can lead very high MAP-M score. It is computer interactive system, a 5th grade may face high school math problem generated from the system. It is like a scale to measure a child's height and weight. "not gifted" simply means my DC was not selected into CES.


I meant has no limit on grade


I don't believe it's true! According to my DC's teacher, MAP-M ceiling for elementary school is 5th grade, so your 5th grader is not supposed to encounter questions on algebra, regardless on how well they do in the test.

And, come to think of it, it makes sense.



This is true- just like the version changes in grade 3, it changes again in middle school.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 21:01     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
At my school (pretty high average SES level, but not Potomac high), we have 2-3 per grade level in the upper grades. There are many more k-2, a few in grade 3, and even fewer in grades 4-5 (due to a couple of high scorers switching to a magnet program).

In the on grade level classes (not compacted), the "high" children are in the 70th percentiles.

So, 99th percentile might not be as common as people on this board think unless you are only looking at magnet programs.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 20:41     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP,

At grade level MAP 99th percentile is really easy. It is based nation wide sample. This area is known to have many high achievers

I got my DC MAP-M score from 3rd Grade (fall) of 244 to 5th Grade of 295 --- not gifted at all


I don't think you can take MAP out of grade level, but maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you talking about comparing the RIT score with RIT scores in higher grade levels?

295 is extremely high for for fifth grade. What makes you say 'not gifted?'


MAP has limit on grade at all. More high level math exposure can lead very high MAP-M score. It is computer interactive system, a 5th grade may face high school math problem generated from the system. It is like a scale to measure a child's height and weight. "not gifted" simply means my DC was not selected into CES.


I meant has no limit on grade


I don't believe it's true! According to my DC's teacher, MAP-M ceiling for elementary school is 5th grade, so your 5th grader is not supposed to encounter questions on algebra, regardless on how well they do in the test.

And, come to think of it, it makes sense.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 20:00     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
The info the county publishes alongside MAP scores shows that county norms are very similar to national so I'd imagine 99% here is pretty much 99%.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 19:23     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP,

At grade level MAP 99th percentile is really easy. It is based nation wide sample. This area is known to have many high achievers

I got my DC MAP-M score from 3rd Grade (fall) of 244 to 5th Grade of 295 --- not gifted at all


I don't think you can take MAP out of grade level, but maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you talking about comparing the RIT score with RIT scores in higher grade levels?

295 is extremely high for for fifth grade. What makes you say 'not gifted?'


MAP has limit on grade at all. More high level math exposure can lead very high MAP-M score. It is computer interactive system, a 5th grade may face high school math problem generated from the system. It is like a scale to measure a child's height and weight. "not gifted" simply means my DC was not selected into CES.


I meant has no limit on grade
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 19:22     Subject: How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP,

At grade level MAP 99th percentile is really easy. It is based nation wide sample. This area is known to have many high achievers

I got my DC MAP-M score from 3rd Grade (fall) of 244 to 5th Grade of 295 --- not gifted at all


I don't think you can take MAP out of grade level, but maybe I am misunderstanding. Are you talking about comparing the RIT score with RIT scores in higher grade levels?

295 is extremely high for for fifth grade. What makes you say 'not gifted?'


MAP has limit on grade at all. More high level math exposure can lead very high MAP-M score. It is computer interactive system, a 5th grade may face high school math problem generated from the system. It is like a scale to measure a child's height and weight. "not gifted" simply means my DC was not selected into CES.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 17:13     Subject: Re:How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
Anonymous wrote:99th percentile has a wide raw score range. My DD's most recent MAP-R raw score dipped by at least five points and she was still in the 99th percentile. I don't think anyone, except MCPS, knows the data on 99th percentile scorers. I am sure to get into the competitive CES centers the margin between 99%'ers who got in and those who didn't was down to the raw scores. Because, there are many, many 99%'ers in many clusters.


+1 My 5th grade kid scored in the high 250s on MAP M, which is 99%. However, the 2 kids that got into the TPMS magnet scored in the low 270s, also 99%. That is a raw score difference of 12-15 pts!
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2018 17:03     Subject: Re:How common is a math or reading MAP score at the 99th percentile in this area?
99th percentile has a wide raw score range. My DD's most recent MAP-R raw score dipped by at least five points and she was still in the 99th percentile. I don't think anyone, except MCPS, knows the data on 99th percentile scorers. I am sure to get into the competitive CES centers the margin between 99%'ers who got in and those who didn't was down to the raw scores. Because, there are many, many 99%'ers in many clusters.