Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:35     Subject: Re:NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:I really hope this isn't the direction MCPS is going in. I support additional programs to minimize the achievement gap and think the best way is to reach children as early as possible and as intensively as possible PreK-3rd grade. I also think that MCPS has done a great job offering lots of programs in high school for students with different interests. There is a focus on the HS magnets on this forum but there are so many academies including technical academies in the DCC schools in particular.
What I cannot support is any lowering of academic standards to change the make up of ACADEMIC programs. It is not fair to the children who are deprived of an academic opportunity for no legitimate reason and it does over time result in a watering down of expectations and curriculum in highly rigorous academic programs.
There is a big difference between universal screening, increasing outreach and lowering barriers for children from all kinds of backgrounds to be screened and encouraged to apply and changing admissions criteria and standards. I support the former but cannot support the latter.


I agree.

And you know who ends up losing out the most in this NY program?

The URM kids who actually do work hard at their schools. Instead of taking the high performing kids and giving them a boost, this program aims to take the low performing kids and put them in a program that is above their level.

There needs to be more of a focus on meeting kids AT their level and helping them improve AT their level.
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:33     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:Predict how this will work out. Struggling kids will end up taking all the teachers time and kids that are doing well will be ignored.


Whole thing will get watered down. But no, I don't think the teachers will slow down. They give out Cs. Just watch the data in 5 years time.

- Bronx Sci c/o 01
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:32     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.


Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?



You are part of the problem as is anyone who sees studying more and working harder as "cheating the system"


Agree completely!

WTF? When did things get so a$$ backwards that a kid who works hard and studies is thought to have ‘cheated’ the system?
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:32     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:Predict how this will work out. Struggling kids will end up taking all the teachers time and kids that are doing well will be ignored.


Private school in Manhattan just went over $60k on this bad news.
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:29     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.


Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?


So did all those black athletes in professional sports cheat the system by playing so much of their sports after school? Are all those black athletes just naturally talented and didn't have to work hard at all to achieve such a high level of excellence in their sport?

How do great pianists do it? Do you suppose people who apply to a performing arts school like Julliard never pay for private lessons? Isn't that cheating if they do?

BTW, my DC got into a magnet with zero after school tutoring or even taking a sample test.
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:24     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.


Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?



You are part of the problem as is anyone who sees studying more and working harder as "cheating the system"
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:24     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.


Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?


How do you cheat a system that requires hard work and smarts by working hard and acquiring smarts?
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:23     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:I don't mind the intent or spirit, which to me seems to be looking for a different/better way to deal with an intractable problem - achievement gap - that has many causes. (I don't believe that public schools can overcome those causes, at least not without a massive infusion of resources, but because kids are supposed to go to school, schools are forced to at least try.) But the article notes that a mixed-level class works for all students with well-trained teachers who use a "targeted approach to each child's level of achievement." The likelihood of that will be the case of high-performing students is, in my view, very low.


Unless home life and parenting changes, the achievement gap will not be closed.
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 09:19     Subject: Re:NYC Desegregation Plan
I really hope this isn't the direction MCPS is going in. I support additional programs to minimize the achievement gap and think the best way is to reach children as early as possible and as intensively as possible PreK-3rd grade. I also think that MCPS has done a great job offering lots of programs in high school for students with different interests. There is a focus on the HS magnets on this forum but there are so many academies including technical academies in the DCC schools in particular.
What I cannot support is any lowering of academic standards to change the make up of ACADEMIC programs. It is not fair to the children who are deprived of an academic opportunity for no legitimate reason and it does over time result in a watering down of expectations and curriculum in highly rigorous academic programs.
There is a big difference between universal screening, increasing outreach and lowering barriers for children from all kinds of backgrounds to be screened and encouraged to apply and changing admissions criteria and standards. I support the former but cannot support the latter.
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 08:14     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:Predict how this will work out. Struggling kids will end up taking all the teachers time and kids that are doing well will be ignored.


And the teachers are told not to fail Jquan, next thing you know you have a normal high school.
Anonymous
Post 06/07/2018 05:01     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Predict how this will work out. Struggling kids will end up taking all the teachers time and kids that are doing well will be ignored.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2018 23:04     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
What's TJ's demographic? Is it test-in? Maybe it's time to change ....
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2018 22:09     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.


Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?


They need after school tutoring to make up what they haven’t learned well or enough at school. Whoever does not work hard and achieve poorly by still go to magnets are cheating.


I wouldn't use the word cheating. But by this logic, the public schools need to find extra resources and programs to serve students whose parents already have the wherewithal to provide their kids with extra resources and programs. How does that make any sense. Just send your kid to private if the school system is so inadequate.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2018 22:01     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.


The article in the OP isn't about test-in magnets. This one is, though: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/03/nyregion/de-blasio-segregation-schools.html
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2018 22:01     Subject: NYC Desegregation Plan
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this what Texas does for college? I thought they insured the top percentile from each HS has a place at the flagship U.


Read the article. NY does not want to take the top percentiles. They want kids who have scored lower on tests.