I will agree with the premise of the OP that the country is obviously very divided, but if the PPs who think the midwest (in general) is culturally and politically aligned with (in general) the people who live on the coasts who have been vilified as elites by the likes of Rush Limbaugh for over 30 years, you are mistaken.

The fact of the matter is that the coastal states are responsible for the overwhelming majority of the GDP in the country. It is also responsbile for much of the so-called liberal agenda which includes things like live and let live (ie gay marriage,) the value of a women's rights over a fetus rights, the idea that guns in dense urban environments are not the greatest idea and the concept that cities thrives when cultures intermix.

As a former midwesterner, I get it on the whole idea that things are different in the midwest, but the idea that people who are embracing of other peoples and cultures mixing into the "traditional" white culture of America as a bad thing is just not what our country is about, yet it appears to be what Trumpism is about.

Prove me wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The arrogance and simple-mindedness of your post is breathtaking, PP. And that is saying a pretty damn lot for DCUM.

+100
Honestly, I thought I had become desensitized to that kind of liberal arrogance, but I guess not. It's repulsive and most of the country agrees.

Actually, most of the country does not agree. There are more liberals than there are of you. Your arrogance only surpassed by your ignorance. Your hate is messing with your mind.

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Anonymous wrote:So say the Russian trolls. Not gonna happen though. Trump is only temporary.

He’s been “only temporary” for a year and a half now.

Does “any day now” get old after saying it so much!

All presidents are temporary fool

Anonymous wrote:So say the Russian trolls. Not gonna happen though. Trump is only temporary.

He’s been “only temporary” for a year and a half now.

Does “any day now” get old after saying it so much!

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

It won't be a split. It will be a war. Because people like the PP will insist on it.


So be it. I just hope it happens while I'm young enough and fit enough to fight. There won't be a split when it's over, either. We'll take the whole country. Then we'll offer people like the PP a very simple choice. Leave, or stay. (Staying would be a mistake)

Scary that people like you walk amongst us.

But not scary that people like the first PP walk amongst us? Please.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The arrogance and simple-mindedness of your post is breathtaking, PP. And that is saying a pretty damn lot for DCUM.

+100
Honestly, I thought I had become desensitized to that kind of liberal arrogance, but I guess not. It's repulsive and most of the country agrees.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Once we believe in international trade again, we’ll be fine. Still one of the largest economies in the world once we drop all the dead weight. We’ll have to build a wall to keep you out.

Tell you what, promise to keep all the “cultural enrichment” on your side, and we’ll help you build it.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

It won't be a split. It will be a war. Because people like the PP will insist on it.


So be it. I just hope it happens while I'm young enough and fit enough to fight. There won't be a split when it's over, either. We'll take the whole country. Then we'll offer people like the PP a very simple choice. Leave, or stay. (Staying would be a mistake)

Scary that people like you walk amongst us.

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Anonymous wrote:So say the Russian trolls. Not gonna happen though. Trump is only temporary.

I think there are very liberal and very conservative thread starters here who are sincere Americans, but I now assume that any really provocative post like this comes from some kind of paid campaign, and that the first two or three replies come from the original
poster.

Maybe any trolls are just with an apolitical ad agency, or with North Korea, or something like that, not with Russia, and maybe some of the apparent trolls are genuine moms with overly aggressive phone auto correct functions, but I think regular people who want to be taken seriously have to put some effort into showing that they're regular people.

Especially considering that this thread subject is an acknowledged talking point pushed by Russia. I’m not saying OP is Russian or paid, but I’m sure they are aware they're bomb throwing.

And it’s such a stupid talking point. We are America. We are the United States. We survived the Civil War and we will survive this.

+1 to all

Yes! This is beyond stupid and extremely decisive. Stop doing Russia’s work for them unless you are a paid troll, which is very likely. Jeff should delete this stupidly as it is plain dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:So say the Russian trolls. Not gonna happen though. Trump is only temporary.

I think there are very liberal and very conservative thread starters here who are sincere Americans, but I now assume that any really provocative post like this comes from some kind of paid campaign, and that the first two or three replies come from the original
poster.

Maybe any trolls are just with an apolitical ad agency, or with North Korea, or something like that, not with Russia, and maybe some of the apparent trolls are genuine moms with overly aggressive phone auto correct functions, but I think regular people who want to be taken seriously have to put some effort into showing that they're regular people.

Especially considering that this thread subject is an acknowledged talking point pushed by Russia. I’m not saying OP is Russian or paid, but I’m sure they are aware they're bomb throwing.

And it’s such a stupid talking point. We are America. We are the United States. We survived the Civil War and we will survive this.

+1 to all

Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

It won't be a split. It will be a war. Because people like the PP will insist on it.


So be it. I just hope it happens while I'm young enough and fit enough to fight. There won't be a split when it's over, either. We'll take the whole country. Then we'll offer people like the PP a very simple choice. Leave, or stay. (Staying would be a mistake)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Do you think flyover food feeds the coasts? As opposed to being exported? What you are growing can be imported. A lot of our food already is.

+1 most of my produce seems to say "Product of California.. or Canada... or Mexico.. or Chile". I rarely see "Product of Iowa". Actually, I don't think I've ever seen Product of Iowa.

PP is correct... most of flyover crops are exported, which is why so many of those farmers are worried about the fact that Trump pulled out of TPP and the ongoing trade war with China. They do produce some of the ingredients that go into packaged food, though, like wheat and soy bean. But most of our fresh produce come from CA or other countries.

I always see Product of Florida, too. I’m not eating many soy beans from Kansas.

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Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Do you think flyover food feeds the coasts? As opposed to being exported? What you are growing can be imported. A lot of our food already is.

+1 most of my produce seems to say "Product of California.. or Canada... or Mexico.. or Chile". I rarely see "Product of Iowa". Actually, I don't think I've ever seen Product of Iowa.

PP is correct... most of flyover crops are exported, which is why so many of those farmers are worried about the fact that Trump pulled out of TPP and the ongoing trade war with China. They do produce some of the ingredients that go into packaged food, though, like wheat and soy bean. But most of our fresh produce come from CA or other countries.

http://beef2live.com/story-ranking-states-beef-cows-0-108181

Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The arrogance and simple-mindedness of your post is breathtaking, PP. And that is saying a pretty damn lot for DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A simplification of Joel Garreau's brilliant and still-valid theory in Nine Nations. Even if it is legally and logistically impossible, the public can make it come pretty close, and that's happening. The public on the coasts and within inland and Great Lakes enclaves no longer has anything material in common with the vast, sparse, red middle that possesses extraordinary electoral power. The only solution will be people on the coasts boycotting the largely valueless middle, which I hope will happen.

The "largely valueless middle"? Is it any wonder liberals are despised?

To be fair, it is where most of our GMO based processed food comes from, so there is that.

I would love to see liberals try and survive without the farmers who provide their food. A good latte is only going to sustain you for so long.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/well/eat/are-gmo-foods-safe.html

Do you think flyover food feeds the coasts? As opposed to being exported? What you are growing can be imported. A lot of our food already is.

+1 most of my produce seems to say "Product of California.. or Canada... or Mexico.. or Chile". I rarely see "Product of Iowa". Actually, I don't think I've ever seen Product of Iowa.

PP is correct... most of flyover crops are exported, which is why so many of those farmers are worried about the fact that Trump pulled out of TPP and the ongoing trade war with China. They do produce some of the ingredients that go into packaged food, though, like wheat and soy bean. But most of our fresh produce come from CA or other countries.