Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 12:43     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
I agree with the post that a monopoly does nobody any good and that multiple club teams are a positive, but the reality is that some monopolies, like Capital with talent and coaching and college recruitment, offer something that is very difficult to replicate by any other club team in the area. Capital offers a proven best product, and I think parents are especially keen on the college placement part of it. Lacrosse offers a way into top colleges. I don’t know one parent who would take a chance on a team like Panera or Cardinal if their daughter is good enough for Capital, Blue or Orange. Teams like Cardinal, etc., can really only aspire to be like Capital, and I think Panera will find itself in the same situation. That’s not to say that Panera won’t be successful; it probably will if it can pull some decent coaches (I’ve heard they’ve already tried to raid some of the Capital coaches with no success), but will it ever supplant Capital as the best? I just don’t think so. But they will fill a niche like Cardinal does.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 11:47     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:No, your own club has already assessed that you are not strong enough to be on the top team. Colleges will consider this too so in my opinion (2 daughters who have a played on top college teams at strong academic institutions) you are better off playing on MC Elite or Cardinal if you can’t make Capital A if the goal is to play college lacrosse.


Not really true. Hereos and M&D both currently have B teams that play in the A division. The top 45 players on a established club may be better than thr top 22 on a newer club or may not be.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 11:44     Subject: Re:New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are very few dc area players on M&D and Skywalkers, they really shouldn’t be factored into the equation.


Mostly true except that there are a few every year who do make the trek to Baltimore for those teams. Plus every once in a while a dissatisfied Capital player, who maybe got screwed over in placement, will move to Skywalkers. I can think of 3 girls who have done this in the past few years.


Skywalkers posts home towns and high schools with its roster info on its web site, maybe one dc area girl per team. M and D currently draws almost all its girls from Baltimore, Howard, Carroll, and Harford county. Of there are less than 5 dc area girls fron the dmv playing on Baltimore area teams, it must isn’t going to have much of an effect on the dmv clubs.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 11:11     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:Lol, kudos to the above poster for trying to stay positive


LOL, just trying to keep it real. A monopoly does no one any good. That's what makes the Baltimore market so appealing. They have a wide array of high caliber teams. The DMV needs to work to achieve that to improve the sport for our girls.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 10:42     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
No, your own club has already assessed that you are not strong enough to be on the top team. Colleges will consider this too so in my opinion (2 daughters who have a played on top college teams at strong academic institutions) you are better off playing on MC Elite or Cardinal if you can’t make Capital A if the goal is to play college lacrosse.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 10:13     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MC Elite, Rebels and any other club in this area is nothing compared to the track record of Capital. Nobody is buying your BS propaganda. Look at the recruitiment lists for all club.[/

True. Capital Orange is better than both - by far.


Not at the 21 level. Rebels Black and MC Elite Midnight are definitely on par with Capital Orange, if not better. At the older age groups it might be true that Capital is the only game in town but that's just not the case anymore. In terms of track record over time, sure Capitals has been sending girls to great places and nobody disputes that but you will see that change with other clubs and they will be doing the same. My daughter actually doesn't play for either Rebels or MC but I have seen all three teams play and there is no difference at the 21 level between Capital Orange and the other two.

One difference I will note is that many girls on Rebels are coming from GC or public schools in MD so they are not gunning for the same colleges - this is largely a socioeconomic thing. It really just speaks to the demographics of where the club pulls from.


Okay so you are saying for the class of 2021 the Capital "B" team" is equal to other local clubs' "A" teams. That may be true but keep in mind that the class of 2021 has an unusually large number of talented girls. I wouldn't expect the same results for 2022 or any other year. 2021 is likely an anomaly, not an emerging pattern. Also, because of its name recognition and longstanding reputation girls on the Capital "B" team will have better college recruitment opportunities than those on other clubs' "A" teams. That is a provable fact.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 10:08     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club

Cardinal, and I believe the other HS teams, do not stick to their MS players when recruiting for 9th grade. They know there is other talent and will cut. Honestly, most clubs on the MS level are not keeping players, they are always looking for who will make the team better. The HS teams keep their folks.



True, in theory, but the reality is that Cardinal, MC Elite and VA Metro, which are all teams the girls cut from Capital try to join, do usually keep many if not most of their previous players. Just ask around. Tryouts are supposed to be open but these clubs go with the girls they know all most of the time. If a player isnt good enough to make Capital she isnt likely to make a big enough splash at one of these other clubs to beat out a known player.

As for HS teams keeping their players - that has been the model but its changing. Capital, as of last year, requires a try out every single year of HS. Not many girls will be replaced but it has already happened that a new player beat out a returning player. Since Capital is the premier team in this area, look for other clubs to follow suit.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 10:07     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:.



Cardinal, and I believe the other HS teams, do not stick to their MS players when recruiting for 9th grade. They know there is other talent and will cut. Honestly, most clubs on the MS level are not keeping players, they are always looking for who will make the team better. The HS teams keep their folks.


True, in theory, but the reality is that Cardinal, MC Elite and VA Metro, which are all teams the girls cut from Capital try to join, do usually keep many if not most of their previous players. Just ask around. Tryouts are supposed to be open but these clubs go with the girls they know all most of the time. If a player isnt good enough to make Capital she isnt likely to make a big enough splash at one of these other clubs to beat out a known player.

As for HS teams keeping their players - that has been the model but its changing. Capital, as of last year, requires a try out every single year of HS. Not many girls will be replaced but it has already happened that a new player beat out a returning player. Since Capital is the premier team in this area, look for other clubs to follow suit.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 09:31     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Lol, kudos to the above poster for trying to stay positive
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 08:55     Subject: Re:New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
There definitely is room for another high quality girls lax team in the DMV. Options and the opportunity to make choices about where to commit a player's valuable resources, like time and money, are a good thing for everyone!

To the shade-thrower/s: whether it is a choice you would make yourself or not, that can be up to you. There is no need to cast shade in defense of your own choice. It only makes you come across as strident and insecure.

Best wishes to the coach and the upcoming 2022 Panthera team. There is room for you on the field and many of us are glad to see you taking your place!
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 08:41     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Why bother even mentioning Rebels, it’s a lower class club
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2018 08:11     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MC Elite, Rebels and any other club in this area is nothing compared to the track record of Capital. Nobody is buying your BS propaganda. Look at the recruitiment lists for all club.[/

True. Capital Orange is better than both - by far.


Not at the 21 level. Rebels Black and MC Elite Midnight are definitely on par with Capital Orange, if not better. At the older age groups it might be true that Capital is the only game in town but that's just not the case anymore. In terms of track record over time, sure Capitals has been sending girls to great places and nobody disputes that but you will see that change with other clubs and they will be doing the same. My daughter actually doesn't play for either Rebels or MC but I have seen all three teams play and there is no difference at the 21 level between Capital Orange and the other two.

One difference I will note is that many girls on Rebels are coming from GC or public schools in MD so they are not gunning for the same colleges - this is largely a socioeconomic thing. It really just speaks to the demographics of where the club pulls from.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2018 22:54     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why start Panthera? Curious if the coaches support the girls playing anywhere, as stated above long as they are good, why start a new program. Hasn’t Capital done enough to support Visi players?


Because many girls don’t make Capital. Some are good players who may not have any other decent choices. This happens to many Pride players especially. They either are the best and make Capital or have to scramble, along with many Stars black players, to find a high school team. Cardinal and MC Elite may take a few but they have full or mostly full rosters of girls aging up from their 8th grade teams. Same with VA Metro. There is definitely room for another high school girls club.



Cardinal, and I believe the other HS teams, do not stick to their MS players when recruiting for 9th grade. They know there is other talent and will cut. Honestly, most clubs on the MS level are not keeping players, they are always looking for who will make the team better. The HS teams keep their folks.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2018 22:23     Subject: Re:New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:There are very few dc area players on M&D and Skywalkers, they really shouldn’t be factored into the equation.


Mostly true except that there are a few every year who do make the trek to Baltimore for those teams. Plus every once in a while a dissatisfied Capital player, who maybe got screwed over in placement, will move to Skywalkers. I can think of 3 girls who have done this in the past few years.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2018 22:20     Subject: New Girls High School Lacrosse Club
Anonymous wrote:Why start Panthera? Curious if the coaches support the girls playing anywhere, as stated above long as they are good, why start a new program. Hasn’t Capital done enough to support Visi players?


Because many girls don’t make Capital. Some are good players who may not have any other decent choices. This happens to many Pride players especially. They either are the best and make Capital or have to scramble, along with many Stars black players, to find a high school team. Cardinal and MC Elite may take a few but they have full or mostly full rosters of girls aging up from their 8th grade teams. Same with VA Metro. There is definitely room for another high school girls club.