Anonymous wrote:Perhaps for similarly classified offenses they are more loud, disruptive and aggressive. We need more, not less discipline, so students who want to learn have a safe learning environment.

Didn't DCPS just get a bunch of firings for doing the exact OPPOSITE. They graduated a significant amount of students who failed tests, failed to even show up to class enough, and many teachers even doctored up standardized test scores to do so.

Is that the preferred option for a failing "student" of any color, race, ethnicity, parent structure? No personal responsibility on the part of the parents, student, teachers, principal or central offices of PUBLIC schools. This would not fly in parochial, private or charter/KIPP schools and certainly not in schools aboard.

Love to see the data on being held back year-over-year since 1950s in the U.S. and other countries schools. I bet the U.S. artificially cut that rate significantly by passing incapably students through the "system." I don't care what color they are. They will not be ready for any type of college and any type of meaningful career if they cannot show the discipline to learn foundational math, english or reading. Nevermind science, history, of another foreign language, the BASICS are not getting through in public K-12s.

Having taught in a school with kids who were very poor African Americans--many of whom behaved very poorly, I think the government is approaching this all wrong. These kids (first graders) would walk by other kids and hit them for no reason. Then, of course, there was a response. Recess was much pushing and shoving. We (the teachers) were told by a behavior specialist that the kids acted like this because they "do not have toys at home, and, so they manipulate each other." (That is a real quote, and this was many, many years ago.)

The big push by politicians, etc, saying that the kids need preschool may be helpful--but, that is not the answer in my view. i think there needs to be more parent education beginning before birth--but, certainly, at birth. Do not take it for granted that everyone knows that reading to your child is important. Do not take it for granted that people know how to speak gently to their children--that yelling can be harmful (although I certainly plead guilty there). Physical punishment is also quite common in the poor communities. Young, uneducated parents need to be instructed in ways to handle the children themselves. Going to preschool and coming home to a chaotic environment is not going to solve the problem.

I think we all are in a sense agreeing to the same things. Crimes and indiscipline is more rampant among Blacks, who also have a higher percentage of fragmented families, poor education, poverty. There also seems to be more punitive actions taken against Black boys in schools for the same behavior that is overlooked or punished less severely in other racial groups.

We should be asking three things -
- How can we lessen these kind of behavior in Black school boys? Not less reporting by teachers and administrators, but less of such behavior from the children themselves.
- How do we train teachers and administrators to stop acting out of implicit bias and have a protocol in place for all children.
- How can disruptive students be removed from class and still be educated, so that the burden to educate/discipline them does not fall on the teacher and class disruption for other students is minimized. How soon can these students be returned to the classroom? What burden falls on their parents to participate in the corrective/restorative practices of the school for their child?

There are some actors that need to be involved in correcting this behavior - administrators, parents, students, teachers. However, other students in the classroom should not be expected to bear the burden of disruptive behavior.

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Stupid article

Like others have said, the author just assumes that the disproportionate amount of discipline comes from racism and is not a result of a disproportionate amount of bad behavior

I wonder where this author Rebecca lives

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Student safety is my #1 concern.

Then you should want white kuds expelled at the same rate.

You should want disruptive kids expelled.
Why don't you?

I want white kids, black kids and kids with disabilites to be treated the same. Why don't you?

Yes. Which is to say, if white kids causes more disruptions, they should be punished more. Same thing with black kids and kids with disabilities.

What you're seeing instead is more backwards claptrap, which is to say, black kids and kids with disabilities are punished more, ipso facto there was racism/discrimination. Weak.

I want white kids who are just as disruptive to have the same discipline as black/disabled kids.

The same. How is that so hard to understand. White kids and black kids with the same offense get the SAME discipline.

Do you also think there's a conspiracy in adult black male violent crime rates too? I taught in title 1 schools for two years out of college, black boys were overwhelmingly the school's biggest behavior issues. Most of the time admins wouldn't even write them up, so I've always had trouble trusting the data these studies rely on.

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Anonymous wrote:
Student safety is my #1 concern.

Then you should want white kuds expelled at the same rate.

You should want disruptive kids expelled.
Why don't you?

I want white kids, black kids and kids with disabilites to be treated the same. Why don't you?

Yes. Which is to say, if white kids causes more disruptions, they should be punished more. Same thing with black kids and kids with disabilities.

What you're seeing instead is more backwards claptrap, which is to say, black kids and kids with disabilities are punished more, ipso facto there was racism/discrimination. Weak.

I want white kids who are just as disruptive to have the same discipline as black/disabled kids.

The same. How is that so hard to understand. White kids and black kids with the same offense get the SAME discipline.

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Student safety is my #1 concern.

Then you should want white kuds expelled at the same rate.

You should want disruptive kids expelled.
Why don't you?

Because schools are cheaper than prisons. I also happen to care about people.

This is based on surveys!
I want facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps for similarly classified offenses they are more loud, disruptive and aggressive. We need more, not less discipline, so students who want to learn have a safe learning environment.

You want kids who Have the same offense to get lesser punishments if they are white?

We are at a mixed school. My white kid got in far more trouble than the other kids, who happened to be other races. Made no sense.

That is not what the study says. The study says that when white kids commit an offense they are less likely to be disciplined, suspended, expelled than a black child or a child with a disabilites who committed the same offense.

That is NOT what this HuffPo article says. It merely says that Black kids and kids with disabilities are disciplined more. Maybe, just maybe, because they are more disruptive, and drag all the other kids (of all races) who are not disruptive, down. I know, I cannot believe I had the audacity to even suggest that.

Huffpo is a journalistic disgrace so, not surprised that someone would link this and try to make more out of it than it deserves.

No. That is not what the study says. It says that white kids that commit the same offense are less likely to be disciplined.

i get that you think blacks are more disruptive at your school but that is not what the study is about,

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps for similarly classified offenses they are more loud, disruptive and aggressive. We need more, not less discipline, so students who want to learn have a safe learning environment.

You want kids who Have the same offense to get lesser punishments if they are white?

We are at a mixed school. My white kid got in far more trouble than the other kids, who happened to be other races. Made no sense.

That is not what the study says. The study says that when white kids commit an offense they are less likely to be disciplined, suspended, expelled than a black child or a child with a disabilites who committed the same offense.

You need to go back to school and learn basic reading comprehension, or stop lying. The study says nothing - absolutely NOTHING - about discipline for the same offense. Just that black children are disciplined more.

Huffington Post? Seriously. You have got to be kidding me.

What color are the teachers?

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Anonymous wrote:
Student safety is my #1 concern.

Then you should want white kuds expelled at the same rate.

You should want disruptive kids expelled.
Why don't you?

I want white kids, black kids and kids with disabilites to be treated the same. Why don't you?

Check your comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:
Student safety is my #1 concern.

Then you should want white kuds expelled at the same rate.

You should want disruptive kids expelled.
Why don't you?

I want white kids, black kids and kids with disabilites to be treated the same. Why don't you?

Yes. Which is to say, if white kids causes more disruptions, they should be punished more. Same thing with black kids and kids with disabilities.

What you're seeing instead is more backwards claptrap, which is to say, black kids and kids with disabilities are punished more, ipso facto there was racism/discrimination. Weak.