Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 21:13     Subject: Re:What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:any company worth working for will ask for you gpa/transcript.

also, low gpa -> no reputable grad school of any sort


Exactly.


My brother got into HBS with a 3.0 from Berkeley. Don’t know whether than confirms or rebuts your claim, LOL!


what century was this?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 20:41     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Success in life doesn't depend on your undergrad GPA or the school you went to. I thought everybody knew that by now.

Any person's success will depend on

1) Their mindset and attitude
2) Their ability to think critically
3) Their able to communicate well
4) Their work ethic
5) Their willingness to retool and keep their skills updated

So where the bottom 10% land up will depend on whether they possess these qualities. If they do, they will do well. IF they don't they will drop to the bottom of the barrel and since you can't tell who possesses these traits just by looking at their transcripts, this question is ultimately unanswerable.


I’d love to live in a world where success is a function of those traits, but, seriously, look around you (i.e. think critically) and see if really can make that claim credibly.

(Not arguing that college/GPA are determinative either.)


Yes. I can. Can't you?


You don’t think wealth, privilege, amorality, ruthlessness/willingness to exploit other people, and luck go as far toward explaining who ends up on top in our society?


I know tons of wealthy, privilege amoral people... I grew up in this area. They are not as successful as the people who have the 5 qualities above. Most their money goes to alimony and rehab, plus they are verging on heart attacks.

I know just as well off people who went to state college, B level state college and no college. I know successful Ivy grads and loser Ivy grads.

I go think a certain amount but not too much privilege helps, there is a sweet spot.

Bad luck though is the worst... cancer, death of a child, etc.. it will take you down... but it happens to the wealthy, connected and privileged.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 20:35     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Success in life doesn't depend on your undergrad GPA or the school you went to. I thought everybody knew that by now.

Any person's success will depend on

1) Their mindset and attitude
2) Their ability to think critically
3) Their able to communicate well
4) Their work ethic
5) Their willingness to retool and keep their skills updated

So where the bottom 10% land up will depend on whether they possess these qualities. If they do, they will do well. IF they don't they will drop to the bottom of the barrel and since you can't tell who possesses these traits just by looking at their transcripts, this question is ultimately unanswerable.


I’d love to live in a world where success is a function of those traits, but, seriously, look around you (i.e. think critically) and see if really can make that claim credibly.

(Not arguing that college/GPA are determinative either.)


Yes. I can. Can't you?


You don’t think wealth, privilege, amorality, ruthlessness/willingness to exploit other people, and luck go as far toward explaining who ends up on top in our society?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 20:29     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Think about the stats of the kids who get into HYPS now. No matter how you slice it, the “bottom 10%” are probably going to still be impressive. There’s also no reason why these kids aren’t capable of earning at least Bs. So the GPA isn’t really a great indicator of whether they are going to fit in.


Athletes, z list, and some underrepresented tend to be made fun of by the top kids. There's definitely an obvious bottom of the class that many overachievers feel don't belong there. Overachievers aren't shy about sharing their opinion in this regard.


It's why they recruit athletes and artists. They are immune from your misplaced scorn.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 20:26     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Success in life doesn't depend on your undergrad GPA or the school you went to. I thought everybody knew that by now.

Any person's success will depend on

1) Their mindset and attitude
2) Their ability to think critically
3) Their able to communicate well
4) Their work ethic
5) Their willingness to retool and keep their skills updated

So where the bottom 10% land up will depend on whether they possess these qualities. If they do, they will do well. IF they don't they will drop to the bottom of the barrel and since you can't tell who possesses these traits just by looking at their transcripts, this question is ultimately unanswerable.


I’d love to live in a world where success is a function of those traits, but, seriously, look around you (i.e. think critically) and see if really can make that claim credibly.

(Not arguing that college/GPA are determinative either.)


Yes. I can. Can't you?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 20:24     Subject: Re:What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:any company worth working for will ask for you gpa/transcript.

also, low gpa -> no reputable grad school of any sort


Exactly.


My brother got into HBS with a 3.0 from Berkeley. Don’t know whether than confirms or rebuts your claim, LOL!


Yep some people will hire a 3.0 from an elite school vs 4.0 from a large state school. Read through this board.



Berkeley is a large state school.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 20:14     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Think about the stats of the kids who get into HYPS now. No matter how you slice it, the “bottom 10%” are probably going to still be impressive. There’s also no reason why these kids aren’t capable of earning at least Bs. So the GPA isn’t really a great indicator of whether they are going to fit in.


Athletes, z list, and some underrepresented tend to be made fun of by the top kids. There's definitely an obvious bottom of the class that many overachievers feel don't belong there. Overachievers aren't shy about sharing their opinion in this regard.


Only the a-holes. I went to one of these schools and no one I knew was spending any time sitting in judgment or gossiping about anyone else’s grades.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 20:02     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:Think about the stats of the kids who get into HYPS now. No matter how you slice it, the “bottom 10%” are probably going to still be impressive. There’s also no reason why these kids aren’t capable of earning at least Bs. So the GPA isn’t really a great indicator of whether they are going to fit in.


Athletes, z list, and some underrepresented tend to be made fun of by the top kids. There's definitely an obvious bottom of the class that many overachievers feel don't belong there. Overachievers aren't shy about sharing their opinion in this regard.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 19:42     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Think about the stats of the kids who get into HYPS now. No matter how you slice it, the “bottom 10%” are probably going to still be impressive. There’s also no reason why these kids aren’t capable of earning at least Bs. So the GPA isn’t really a great indicator of whether they are going to fit in.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 19:23     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:First, it's hard to get bad grades at an elite school due to grade inflation.

Second, if you have an HYPS degree, no one cares about your grades. I've literally never put my GPA on a resume. I wasn't advised to do so by our career office, and I find it very odd when people do it.

Basically, unless you include it on your resume, no one hiring you knows where you ranked in your class. And at least at my undergrad, the only signifier of rank was whether you were Phi Beta Kappa or not.


when did you go through recruiting at HYPS?

even at H, the banks and consulting firms ask for gpa during resume drops. there are def cut offs for initial screenings
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 19:09     Subject: Re:What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:any company worth working for will ask for you gpa/transcript.

also, low gpa -> no reputable grad school of any sort


Exactly.


My brother got into HBS with a 3.0 from Berkeley. Don’t know whether than confirms or rebuts your claim, LOL!


Yep some people will hire a 3.0 from an elite school vs 4.0 from a large state school. Read through this board.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 19:00     Subject: Re:What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:any company worth working for will ask for you gpa/transcript.

also, low gpa -> no reputable grad school of any sort


Exactly.


My brother got into HBS with a 3.0 from Berkeley. Don’t know whether than confirms or rebuts your claim, LOL!
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 18:57     Subject: What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:Success in life doesn't depend on your undergrad GPA or the school you went to. I thought everybody knew that by now.

Any person's success will depend on

1) Their mindset and attitude
2) Their ability to think critically
3) Their able to communicate well
4) Their work ethic
5) Their willingness to retool and keep their skills updated

So where the bottom 10% land up will depend on whether they possess these qualities. If they do, they will do well. IF they don't they will drop to the bottom of the barrel and since you can't tell who possesses these traits just by looking at their transcripts, this question is ultimately unanswerable.


I’d love to live in a world where success is a function of those traits, but, seriously, look around you (i.e. think critically) and see if really can make that claim credibly.

(Not arguing that college/GPA are determinative either.)
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 18:50     Subject: Re:What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
Anonymous wrote:any company worth working for will ask for you gpa/transcript.

also, low gpa -> no reputable grad school of any sort


Exactly.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 18:49     Subject: Re:What happens to the bottom 10% of the class at an elite?
any company worth working for will ask for you gpa/transcript.

also, low gpa -> no reputable grad school of any sort