^I'm not sure the C-student thing is true.
And you don't know if Affirmative Action helped him or not.

I hadn't ever read or heard the other thing about the author bio but I googled it and found what you're referencing. The publisher said it was a mistake. But could totally see where Obama may have known and just not have felt the need to correct it before the birther stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:They voted for Trump and loathed Obama. At one point one of them yelled at the TV when he was still in office saying he only got there because of Affirmative action. How do you deal with that?

Not by calling them names on the internet because they don't think the way you do. It's Easter. Settle down.

I know you're angry OP, but some things you might want to consider is this:
Affirmative Action does and has helped people, including Obama--who was a C student at Occidental and then got into Yale Law School. (I realize that your parents meant this as a derogatory comment, but the fact is, he went on to do very well at Yale, even making Law Review, etc. so affirmative action actually did what it was designed to do there, which is give a boost to someone who could then use it to maximize opportunities that were not previously available.)

Also, your inlaws may well be bigots--I'm not disputing that. But there are some weird circumstances surrounding the birther nonsense that most people don't know is legit. It's bizarre, but the marketing materials for his first book that was published and distributed by his own publisher to promote his book describe him as Kenyan-born in the author bio. Maybe it was a mistake that he never bothered to correct while the his very first book was being promoted? (Though most academic publishers have the author write their own bios in 3rd person for these types of things). So more likely, he thought it would make him seem more colorful and interesting to say he was Kenyan-born--as this was pretty early in his career and he probably didn't have presidential aspirations at that time. So even though we know now that this isn't true that he was born in Kenya, I found it fascinating to discover that this wasn't just a nasty rumor created out of thin air by people who didn't like him or who were racist. The claim appears right there in his own bio. He had to know it was there for like 20 years before it was "corrected" as an error by the publisher. I think he knew it was there and it served a purpose at the time. And this is almost never discussed.

My point is that just because people have different opinions on things doesn't dictate their motive for thinking differently. I know it's easier to cry "bigot" but sometimes there is another less sinister reason for someone not to feel the same way you do about something.

You've gotten some basic facts wrong here. Obama spent two years at Occidental, and then transferred to Columbia University. From there he went to Harvard Law School, not Yale. It's hard to take you seriously when you are wrong about facts like that.

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Anonymous wrote:They voted for Trump and loathed Obama. At one point one of them yelled at the TV when he was still in office saying he only got there because of Affirmative action. How do you deal with that?

Not by calling them names on the internet because they don't think the way you do. It's Easter. Settle down.

I know you're angry OP, but some things you might want to consider is this:
Affirmative Action does and has helped people, including Obama--who was a C student at Occidental and then got into Yale Law School. (I realize that your parents meant this as a derogatory comment, but the fact is, he went on to do very well at Yale, even making Law Review, etc. so affirmative action actually did what it was designed to do there, which is give a boost to someone who could then use it to maximize opportunities that were not previously available.)

Also, your inlaws may well be bigots--I'm not disputing that. But there are some weird circumstances surrounding the birther nonsense that most people don't know is legit. It's bizarre, but the marketing materials for his first book that was published and distributed by his own publisher to promote his book describe him as Kenyan-born in the author bio. Maybe it was a mistake that he never bothered to correct while the his very first book was being promoted? (Though most academic publishers have the author write their own bios in 3rd person for these types of things). So more likely, he thought it would make him seem more colorful and interesting to say he was Kenyan-born--as this was pretty early in his career and he probably didn't have presidential aspirations at that time. So even though we know now that this isn't true that he was born in Kenya, I found it fascinating to discover that this wasn't just a nasty rumor created out of thin air by people who didn't like him or who were racist. The claim appears right there in his own bio. He had to know it was there for like 20 years before it was "corrected" as an error by the publisher. I think he knew it was there and it served a purpose at the time. And this is almost never discussed.

My point is that just because people have different opinions on things doesn't dictate their motive for thinking differently. I know it's easier to cry "bigot" but sometimes there is another less sinister reason for someone not to feel the same way you do about something.

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Anonymous wrote:They voted for Trump and loathed Obama. At one point one of them yelled at the TV when he was still in office saying he only got there because of Affirmative action. How do you deal with that?

Have you ever asked Why they "loathe" Obama? or Why the voted for Trump over Hillary?

What do they say when you try to have a calm, understanding conversation.

hahahhaha. talk, listen, take turns. hahhahahha.

Anonymous wrote:My son is turning into a Trump fan. He's in HS and the best part is we are not even white! How do you deal with that?

You should probably question the quality of your son's education. And restrict his access to Reddit and 4chan.

Unless, of course, you want your son living at home with you into his 30s.

Anonymous wrote:They voted for Trump and loathed Obama. At one point one of them yelled at the TV when he was still in office saying he only got there because of Affirmative action. How do you deal with that?

Do you think that voting for Trump and loathing Obama necessarily equate to "bigotry"? Or that believing that many Obama voters did so because of his African heritage? Then YOU have a problem, not them. That said, they may in fact be "bigots" (a number of Trump voters are), but your statement above does not by itself support your conclusion.

Now, wear the shoe on the other foot -- how well do they tolerate having a son-in-law who is a typically intolerant and insufferable "progressive". (Pajama boy comes to mind.)

Anonymous wrote:And this is ehu we have Trump.

Then how did we also ehu Obama?

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Anonymous wrote:If the definition of "bigot" is disagreeing with you politically, then I guess they are bigots.

From their point of view, you are bigots too.

I get that you think that bigotry is in the eye of the beholder or whatever, but I really wish that we could put to bed the idea that bigotry is simply a difference of opinion. There were people whose political difference of opinion was more than just a preference for a different political candidate. They believed that he was a Kenyan-born Muslim despite actual facts to the contrary. They protested his presidency by lynching effigies of him. The OP's in-laws are saying that Obama was only elected "because of affirmative action" as if that is even a thing that makes sense in the context of a presidential election.

You are welcome to have different policy preferences or dislike political candidates for whatever reasons you like. When you don't like a candidate because the candidate is black or a woman, that makes you a bigot, not just someone with a different opinion.

+1000


My DH is conservative and I have never heard him say he thought Obama was only president because of affirmative action. John McCain is a conservative and said Obama’s was a good man and not a Muslim. There has to be some point where these views are actually identified with what they are: bigotry.

My son is turning into a Trump fan. He's in HS and the best part is we are not even white! How do you deal with that?

Anonymous wrote:If the definition of "bigot" is disagreeing with you politically, then I guess they are bigots.

From their point of view, you are bigots too.

I get that you think that bigotry is in the eye of the beholder or whatever, but I really wish that we could put to bed the idea that bigotry is simply a difference of opinion. There were people whose political difference of opinion was more than just a preference for a different political candidate. They believed that he was a Kenyan-born Muslim despite actual facts to the contrary. They protested his presidency by lynching effigies of him. The OP's in-laws are saying that Obama was only elected "because of affirmative action" as if that is even a thing that makes sense in the context of a presidential election.

You are welcome to have different policy preferences or dislike political candidates for whatever reasons you like. When you don't like a candidate because the candidate is black or a woman, that makes you a bigot, not just someone with a different opinion.

Anonymous wrote:They voted for Trump and loathed Obama. At one point one of them yelled at the TV when he was still in office saying he only got there because of Affirmative action. How do you deal with that?

Have you ever asked Why they "loathe" Obama? or Why the voted for Trump over Hillary?

What do they say when you try to have a calm, understanding conversation.

We have the same issue and they know our opinions are different. We have a don’t talk divisive topics and no cable news policy when we are visiting and life is beautiful.

Anonymous wrote:If the definition of "bigot" is disagreeing with you politically, then I guess they are bigots.

From their point of view, you are bigots too.

Someone gets it. It’s about time.

OP, especially for men, when you get married, you marry the family. I would have been a lot more selective because her family:

Thinks Obama was born in Kenya

Constantly complain about blacks

Belong to the NRA

Are convinced Trump won the popular vote because three million illegals voted for Clinton.

Bad news:. My wife is turning the into them
Good news:. Last kid is going off to college so I get to leave this shitshow

And this is ehu we have Trump.