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Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Answers:

- Congress can create a law defining MS-13 gang association. And let's err on the side of caution - even MS-13 tattoos should be enlighten of kick them out.
- High school dropouts are more likely to commit crime, be impoverished, and collect welfare benefits.

NP.

What about former gang members who are tattooed but have left the gang?

HS dropouts may also be more likely to fill "safety-net"-type jobs that American citizens don't seem to want: low-wage, seasonal, hourly. If they are working in a job and contributing, does their HS resume matter?

Unfortunately, some "good" illegal aliens* may be caught up in this, but remember - they shouldn't have been here in the first place - and it's more important to Americans' interests that we err on the more aggressive side and get the "loser" types out. What's happening is that liberals are more concerned about the interests' of illegal aliens than the good of American society, and we see that in their efforts to "protect" the illegals. Enough is enough.

*I've gone back to using the term illegal alien, which is technically correct, because liberals are conflating illegal with legal immigrants and failing to distinguish between the two in discussions. We solve this by getting the technically erroneous word "immigrant" out of discussion involving people who crossed the border illegally.

You are a frightening and hideous human being! They’re people...with families who are desperately looking for a better life. America’s drug appetite has destroyed their country.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Answers:

- Congress can create a law defining MS-13 gang association. And let's err on the side of caution - even MS-13 tattoos should be enlighten of kick them out.
- High school dropouts are more likely to commit crime, be impoverished, and collect welfare benefits.

NP.

What about former gang members who are tattooed but have left the gang?

HS dropouts may also be more likely to fill "safety-net"-type jobs that American citizens don't seem to want: low-wage, seasonal, hourly. If they are working in a job and contributing, does their HS resume matter?

Unfortunately, some "good" illegal aliens* may be caught up in this, but remember - they shouldn't have been here in the first place - and it's more important to Americans' interests that we err on the more aggressive side and get the "loser" types out. What's happening is that liberals are more concerned about the interests' of illegal aliens than the good of American society, and we see that in their efforts to "protect" the illegals. Enough is enough.

*I've gone back to using the term illegal alien, which is technically correct, because liberals are conflating illegal with legal immigrants and failing to distinguish between the two in discussions. We solve this by getting the technically erroneous word "immigrant" out of discussion involving people who crossed the border illegally.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Answers:

- Congress can create a law defining MS-13 gang association. And let's err on the side of caution - even MS-13 tattoos should be enlighten of kick them out.
- High school dropouts are more likely to commit crime, be impoverished, and collect welfare benefits.

NP.

What about former gang members who are tattooed but have left the gang?

HS dropouts may also be more likely to fill "safety-net"-type jobs that American citizens don't seem to want: low-wage, seasonal, hourly. If they are working in a job and contributing, does their HS resume matter?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Answers:

- Congress can create a law defining MS-13 gang association. And let's err on the side of caution - even MS-13 tattoos should be enlighten of kick them out.
- High school dropouts are more likely to commit crime, be impoverished, and collect welfare benefits.

Enlighten of s/b enough to. (Weird autocorrect.)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Answers:

- Congress can create a law defining MS-13 gang association. And let's err on the side of caution - even MS-13 tattoos should be enlighten of kick them out.
- High school dropouts are more likely to commit crime, be impoverished, and collect welfare benefits.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- Deport criminal aliens upon completion of their sentences.

- Deport any illegal alien known to be involved in criminal organizations (AKA gang activity).

- Strongly enforce laws against hiring undocumented workers, including potential jail time for repeat offenders.

- Make it easier/cheaper to get visas for temporary workers in industries that have trouble filling their openings with U.S. citizens.

- Assuming nativists aren't just lying when they claim their concern is solely with illegal aliens, make it easier/cheaper to legally immigrate to the U.S.

- Invest in better border security, not necessarily "more" or "bigger." Trump's Wall is about the dumbest thing ever, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

- Expand DACA to cover anyone remaining, subject to renewal based on demonstrated continuous employment, education, and/or status as head of family/primary caregiver of U.S. citizens.

Why? Do you think the U.S. needs more immigrants? Explain.

1) Nativists like to claim they're fine with legal immigration. OK then, if the problem is simply about people sneaking in, then one solution is to make it easier to immigrate legally.

2) Until and unless you can find a source of labor for all the jobs that U.S. citizens refuse to do (a firmly established pattern, BTW), then it would appear we need to keep allowing people in.

3) We are a country of immigrants - that is our history, that is our culture, that is our way of life. I would advise extreme caution before moving our society away from that cornerstone ethos.

That's like saying, we have a problem with theft, so let's just put the stuff people steal on the town square. We'll still be out of something, but at least it won't be stealing. There ARE other solutions - like stronger locks. Or stricter punishments for stealing. Just because someone is fine with legal immigration doesn't mean they will be fine with unlimited numbers of legal immigrants. Countries have the right to decide who they do and do not let in, and how many.

You can solve the jobs issue with automation or increased wages. Otherwise it sounds like you're saying dirty and cheap jobs are ok for immigrants but not for Americans.

On the country of immigrants fairy tale, every time I hear it, I can't stop laughing. This is like a Cinderella legend that wouldn't die. This "ethos" of yours has zero reflection in your laws. Zero. America may have been a country of immigrants once but it is no longer that, and repeating it ad nauseam does not make it true. Your laws do not welcome "the poor and the downtrodden" at all. I challenge you to point me to a section of the Immigration Act that makes someone eligible for immigration just by virtue of them being poor. You have limited admission for asylees and refugees, and these require that your life - not your livelihood - must be in danger. Economic hardship is NOT considered sufficient grounds for immigration. You have very limited merit-based immigration, defined narrowly as an employer willing to sponsor someone, or someone with "extraordinary ability', which, by definition, is not common. The fact of the matter is that outside of family connection, there are very few legal grounds for immigrating. Please understand that I don't say this by way of criticism, I say this by way of accurately describing facts and laws.

What grounds are there for saying "America is a country of immigrants?" It hasn't been for quite some time, and its laws reflect this. Only in movies and stories. Your culture may not have moved from that "cornerstone ethos" but your laws have left it in the dust a long time ago.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- Deport criminal aliens upon completion of their sentences.

- Deport any illegal alien known to be involved in criminal organizations (AKA gang activity).

- Strongly enforce laws against hiring undocumented workers, including potential jail time for repeat offenders.

- Make it easier/cheaper to get visas for temporary workers in industries that have trouble filling their openings with U.S. citizens.

- Assuming nativists aren't just lying when they claim their concern is solely with illegal aliens, make it easier/cheaper to legally immigrate to the U.S.

- Invest in better border security, not necessarily "more" or "bigger." Trump's Wall is about the dumbest thing ever, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

- Expand DACA to cover anyone remaining, subject to renewal based on demonstrated continuous employment, education, and/or status as head of family/primary caregiver of U.S. citizens.

Why? Do you think the U.S. needs more immigrants? Explain.

1) Nativists like to claim they're fine with legal immigration. OK then, if the problem is simply about people sneaking in, then one solution is to make it easier to immigrate legally.

2) Until and unless you can find a source of labor for all the jobs that U.S. citizens refuse to do (a firmly established pattern, BTW), then it would appear we need to keep allowing people in.

3) We are a country of immigrants - that is our history, that is our culture, that is our way of life. I would advise extreme caution before moving our society away from that cornerstone ethos.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former AZ resident all I can say to this thread and OP is:

Huh? The basic idea is to deport all the losers (criminals and high school dropouts) and allow the rest of the illegal aliens to remain in this country legally. So instead of your stupid eye roll, how about explaining why you think that's a bad idea?

Criminals are already deported. I am ok with HS dropouts because not everyone is a member of the educated elite. There are a variety of factors that play into dropping out of school and it doesn’t mean you’re lazy. I roll my eyes at the suggestion of fortifying the border more than it already is.

What? Completing high school puts you in the rank of the educated elite?

Report them all. You liberals are already letting them vote in droves. You deserve nothing, no compromise, NADA

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former AZ resident all I can say to this thread and OP is:

Huh? The basic idea is to deport all the losers (criminals and high school dropouts) and allow the rest of the illegal aliens to remain in this country legally. So instead of your stupid eye roll, how about explaining why you think that's a bad idea?

A few Criminals are already deported. I am ok with HS dropouts because not everyone is a member of the educated elite. There are a variety of factors that play into dropping out of school and it doesn’t mean you’re lazy. I roll my eyes at the suggestion of fortifying the border more than it already is.

fixed it for you

Unfortunately, liberals are no where to be found on doing what's best for US citizens - they are of the everyone who can get in is entitled to citizenship.

Anonymous wrote:- Deport criminal aliens upon completion of their sentences.

- Deport any illegal alien known to be involved in criminal organizations (AKA gang activity).

- Strongly enforce laws against hiring undocumented workers, including potential jail time for repeat offenders.

- Make it easier/cheaper to get visas for temporary workers in industries that have trouble filling their openings with U.S. citizens.

- Assuming nativists aren't just lying when they claim their concern is solely with illegal aliens, make it easier/cheaper to legally immigrate to the U.S.

- Invest in better border security, not necessarily "more" or "bigger." Trump's Wall is about the dumbest thing ever, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

- Expand DACA to cover anyone remaining, subject to renewal based on demonstrated continuous employment, education, and/or status as head of family/primary caregiver of U.S. citizens.

Why? Do you think the U.S. needs more immigrants? Explain.

I'm a democrat, voted for Hilary and despise Trump but I am fed up with illegal immigration from our southern borders. Here is why - folks who live in countries to our South right now seem to believe they have an absolute right to immigrate to this country which is why they come in illegally. They seem to believe they are entitled to be here over anyone else. They are jumping over the millions of people who want to immigrate here legally from countries in other parts of the world. Its flat out not fair to the rest of the world.

We need to send them home and, as another poster stated, get BETTER at defending our southern border. The wall is just plain stupid. A kindergartner's idea of how to keep people out. We need better solutions to keep our southern borders secure.

And then we need to re-vamp our entire immigration system. Immigration should be based on either merit or asylum, period. Not quotas. Not lottery. If you offer something we need, or you desperately need us, and you can prove you are not a terrorist or an extremist of any kind, you can immigrate.

If there are unproductive high school dropouts, sure, but one can be a drop out and still have meaningful employment and be accretive to society.