Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 10:06     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!


The guy was a master manipulator and groomed all the survivors. The environment in elite gymnastics is very intense and this predator had them believing he was “on their side” and was their friend. I think that a lot of the girls said they felt uncomfortable st times and felt like something was off but they didn’t feel they could speak up or were to scared to. These are girls and women who are shooting for the Olympics and they were willing to endure A LOT to get there as we now know.

If you want more insight Aly Raismans new book “Fierce” gave some insight into the gymnastics culture and what it is really like doing elite gymnastics.


Some actually DID speak up,
and were IGNORED.
Let's please be honest here.


Don’t just ignored, but told to be quiet. Also, lied to and told US Gym. was doing something so they needed to not say anything. They felt pressure if they pushed their careers would be ruined. He had the power to declare a gymnast unfit to compete.

Exactly!
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 08:44     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
How can you trust any man these days?

And all the women who knew and said nothing?

Talk to your kids about this. And please STOP telling them that "sometimes you do what it takes to get what you want."



Every time something new comes out, I ask my husband "what the hell is wrong with you men?"

Perhaps observe how many little boys are getting treated like kings. I hate to admit that it's mostly the mothers who are doing this. Fathers appear to be much less tolerant of their boys' entitled bad behavior.

Why?

Anyone?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 08:14     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:I feel sad about the suicides mentioned above.

I just want to say for anyone suffering from incidents like this that it can be “won.” You don’t have to give up. It wasn’t your fault and it doesn’t define you. Don’t let a perp victimize you again by being the reason you take your life. Beat them by living, and living well. <3

Also... we all need to keep our eyes and ears open about this potential abuse of women and children. We can ALWAYS ask questions...

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:56     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
I feel sad about the suicides mentioned above.

I just want to say for anyone suffering from incidents like this that it can be “won.” You don’t have to give up. It wasn’t your fault and it doesn’t define you. Don’t let a perp victimize you again by being the reason you take your life. Beat them by living, and living well. <3
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:52     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
How can you trust any man these days?

And all the women who knew and said nothing?

Talk to your kids about this. And please STOP telling them that "sometimes you do what it takes to get what you want."



Every time something new comes out, I ask my husband "what the hell is wrong with you men?"

Perhaps observe how many little boys are getting treated like kings. I hate to admit that it's mostly the mothers who are doing this. Fathers appear to be much less tolerant of their boys' entitled bad behavior.

Why?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:52     Subject: Re:US women's gymnastics...
I thought Raisman's comments on the Karolyi "ranch" were interesting, that USA Gymnastics should no longer send athletes there. I've long thought that, even before the sexual abuse revelations. And NBC's fawning praise of the Karolyis during the last summer olympics was disgusting. Sending young women- GIRLS - there to be psychologically broken down, has always been beyond my comprehension. And now we find out about the sickening systematic sexual abuse.

-Mother of a competitive gymnast
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:51     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!


The guy was a master manipulator and groomed all the survivors. The environment in elite gymnastics is very intense and this predator had them believing he was “on their side” and was their friend. I think that a lot of the girls said they felt uncomfortable st times and felt like something was off but they didn’t feel they could speak up or were to scared to. These are girls and women who are shooting for the Olympics and they were willing to endure A LOT to get there as we now know.

If you want more insight Aly Raismans new book “Fierce” gave some insight into the gymnastics culture and what it is really like doing elite gymnastics.


Some actually DID speak up,
and were IGNORED.
Let's please be honest here.


Don’t just ignored, but told to be quiet. Also, lied to and told US Gym. was doing something so they needed to not say anything. They felt pressure if they pushed their careers would be ruined. He had the power to declare a gymnast unfit to compete.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:49     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
How can you trust any man these days?

And all the women who knew and said nothing?

Talk to your kids about this. And please STOP telling them that "sometimes you do what it takes to get what you want."



Every time something new comes out, I ask my husband "what the hell is wrong with you men?"
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:45     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!


The guy was a master manipulator and groomed all the survivors. The environment in elite gymnastics is very intense and this predator had them believing he was “on their side” and was their friend. I think that a lot of the girls said they felt uncomfortable st times and felt like something was off but they didn’t feel they could speak up or were to scared to. These are girls and women who are shooting for the Olympics and they were willing to endure A LOT to get there as we now know.

If you want more insight Aly Raismans new book “Fierce” gave some insight into the gymnastics culture and what it is really like doing elite gymnastics.


Some actually DID speak up,
and were IGNORED.
Let's please be honest here.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:29     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!


The guy was a master manipulator and groomed all the survivors. The environment in elite gymnastics is very intense and this predator had them believing he was “on their side” and was their friend. I think that a lot of the girls said they felt uncomfortable st times and felt like something was off but they didn’t feel they could speak up or were to scared to. These are girls and women who are shooting for the Olympics and they were willing to endure A LOT to get there as we now know.

If you want more insight Aly Raismans new book “Fierce” gave some insight into the gymnastics culture and what it is really like doing elite gymnastics.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:22     Subject: US women's gymnastics...

How can you trust any man these days?

And all the women who knew and said nothing?

Talk to your kids about this. And please STOP telling them that "sometimes you do what it takes to get what you want."

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:06     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!


He told them that it was part of the exam and some of them did tell. He was a trusted part of the team.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 07:04     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why there wasn't a nurse or other medical practitioner in the appointments with the girls? Isn't that normal? It always was for me at my OB or anywhere I've had a male doctor (or something other than a strep test type thing).


Because pedophiles and rapists find a way to ingratiate themselves so that people disregard their own best practices.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 00:59     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Anonymous wrote:Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!


These are top-form athletes. Their only job is to keep their bodies in impeccable shape. I'd expect they'd be examined weekly for fractures, ligament tears, and any injuries which could negatively affect their performance levels. One of the girls, McKayla, said she was assualted on the private plane as they were on their way to the freaking Olympics. He drugged her and she woke up later.

So a) you don't avoid the doctor/physician who can clear you as physically fit and ready for the olympics, and b) she had nowhere else to run. This man held their dreams in his hands, just as much as the coaches who took them on did.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2018 00:32     Subject: US women's gymnastics...
Haven’t followed this beyond the twitter statements of the fab 5. Sorry to be obtuse but they were young healthy girls, why were there sooooo many routine dr appointments? If it was for wear and tear on the body and you went in say to have your back looked at and he proceeded to stick his fingers in your vag - understandably they couldn’t fight off a grown man - but wouldn’t you tell someone? Say your parents by phone even if they didn’t travel with you? And if they ignored you and you were summoned to the dr again next week, couldn’t you just say you wouldn’t go/require a nurse there or simply just not show up?!