Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with E-Verify. Everyone should support it.

And bring back Secure Communities - even if the democrats are opposed to Secure Communities. It is the right thing to do.

Oh geeze... how about these things. One, it doesn't do anything to actually prevent someone in the country illegally from being able to legally work. All you need is a name and social security number. The system only pings the name and number for a match, and that's it. (Now remember, we have an entire island (Puerto Rico) where they have US citizenship status and Hispanic last names and are very poor. Many Puerto Ricans sell their SSNs to people in the US so that those people can work and use their names.) Two, it also requires law abiding, naturally born US citizens to have to prove that they are eligible to work in their own country. Three, it relies on the SSN which was never intended to be a national identity number (same problem applies when it comes to credit fraud and identity theft).

It was very liberal with:
-The estimated 11 million people living in the U.S. illegally could obtain "registered provisional immigrant status" six months after enactment of the bill...

There are many points in common with the House Bill introduced on 1-10-18. Is the USA a country or are we supposed to treat Mexico, Northern Triangle, and citizens of all other countries as being from US Territories?

Depressing. Ironically these undocs/illegals have countries but we are not supposed to have a sovereign nation?

I work for E-Verify. The program has bipartisan support so it will never pass on its own. It is constantly used as a bargaining chip in the greater battle even though both sides support it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with E-Verify. Everyone should support it.

And bring back Secure Communities - even if the democrats are opposed to Secure Communities. It is the right thing to do.

I don't think most people are against e-verify, as evidenced by the polls, including Dems. However, a few years ago some Tea Party members and R Rick Perry were against it. It's usually the business people and politicians beholden to the business people who are against it, yes including some Dems. Something about too much regulation and burdening the businesses with more bureacracy and paperwork.

What is "Secure Communities"?

It's interesting that the arguments against e-verify and holding illegal criminals until ICE can pick them up are the same. Too much work/not the job of the person being tasked with the work.

PP here.. I agree with you, the only thing is that Dems aren't hypocritical about e-verify. Look up thread.. someone posted a list of senators who voted for the 2013 immigration bill, which included expanding e-verify. Lots of Dems were for it. Lots of Rs were against it.

Look at what the bill consisted of. It has a lot of really good immigration reform, specifically calls out chain migration and visas for low skilled workers. It does allow for path to citizenship, but it clearly states that these folks could not get any kind of federal aid while on the provisional status. And yes, it states the person cannot have any kind of criminal conviction to get amnesty. Lots of money for border security and law enforcement. Shame it didn't pass.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-summary-093557

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Anonymous wrote:All those farmers who voted for Trump are going to be so delighted.

they're already panicking with all the deportations.

Very true. I know a road construction business owner in Texas who is already having serious problems finding Labor. And he’s a GOPer.

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."

-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum

http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

How’s Teitelbaum at operating a road grader? Because no amount of subsidies is bringing labor to South Texas to pave roads in the summer. The alternative is the road doesn’t get built or repaired.

i can remember liberals making the same argument about oil. if prices go up ahh, we can;t deal. people can;t cut back. absurd.

and why are you so quick to deny low skilled labor greater wages ? are you that special? what if they paid people $50 an hour and health care to grade a road. bet a lot of people would do the work.

your assumption that workers must accept low wages is ignorant.

So why is Trump importing low-wage foreign workers for his properties instaed of paying Americans decently for the same jobs?

Because he can pay them $6.00 an hour with no benefits. The people live on top of each other, five to seven people in a two bedroom working alternate shifts.

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Anonymous wrote:All those farmers who voted for Trump are going to be so delighted.

they're already panicking with all the deportations.

Very true. I know a road construction business owner in Texas who is already having serious problems finding Labor. And he’s a GOPer.

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."

-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum

http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

How’s Teitelbaum at operating a road grader? Because no amount of subsidies is bringing labor to South Texas to pave roads in the summer. The alternative is the road doesn’t get built or repaired.

i can remember liberals making the same argument about oil. if prices go up ahh, we can;t deal. people can;t cut back. absurd.

and why are you so quick to deny low skilled labor greater wages ? are you that special? what if they paid people $50 an hour and health care to grade a road. bet a lot of people would do the work.

your assumption that workers must accept low wages is ignorant.

We have tried your experiment and it has failed miserably. Americans don’t want to move to remote locations to do back-breaking work no matter how much you pay them. The ones who do jump at the money, can’t do the job.

NP. I don't believe this. You pay a fair wage with the supply and demand and people will come and do the work. You also have to remove able bodied people from the SSI roles. A lot of people will not do back breaking work if they can get paid more money not to work.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with E-Verify. Everyone should support it.

And bring back Secure Communities - even if the democrats are opposed to Secure Communities. It is the right thing to do.

I don't think most people are against e-verify, as evidenced by the polls, including Dems. However, a few years ago some Tea Party members and R Rick Perry were against it. It's usually the business people and politicians beholden to the business people who are against it, yes including some Dems. Something about too much regulation and burdening the businesses with more bureacracy and paperwork.

What is "Secure Communities"?

It's interesting that the arguments against e-verify and holding illegal criminals until ICE can pick them up are the same. Too much work/not the job of the person being tasked with the work.

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with E-Verify. Everyone should support it.

And bring back Secure Communities - even if the democrats are opposed to Secure Communities. It is the right thing to do.

I don't think most people are against e-verify, as evidenced by the polls, including Dems. However, a few years ago some Tea Party members and R Rick Perry were against it. It's usually the business people and politicians beholden to the business people who are against it, yes including some Dems. Something about too much regulation and burdening the businesses with more bureacracy and paperwork.

What is "Secure Communities"?

Anonymous wrote:democrats owned this issue 20 years ago. we were the party of the workers. Now we are the party of the undocumented workers. it wasn't clinton that lost , it was the policy. the sooner we remember this the sooner we can give the boot to pelosi and schumer and start electing a new generation of Democrats that are focused on US citizens.

What is unreasonable about the House Bill introduced on Jan 10, 2018? DACA get 3 year renewable legal status, E verify, etc. https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/011018-Securing-Americas-Future-Act-Final.pdf

Unfortunately I can't find anything in it about state and federal reimbursement for the localities cost of Obama's minor surge. I'm a Democrat. Pelosi and Schumer have constituents in localities that have been effected. Sullfolk County NY is an MS 13 high activity area as is the DC area [primarily VA and MD].

There is nothing wrong with E-Verify. Everyone should support it.

And bring back Secure Communities - even if the democrats are opposed to Secure Communities. It is the right thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:All those farmers who voted for Trump are going to be so delighted.

they're already panicking with all the deportations.

Very true. I know a road construction business owner in Texas who is already having serious problems finding Labor. And he’s a GOPer.

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."

-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum

http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

How’s Teitelbaum at operating a road grader? Because no amount of subsidies is bringing labor to South Texas to pave roads in the summer. The alternative is the road doesn’t get built or repaired.

i can remember liberals making the same argument about oil. if prices go up ahh, we can;t deal. people can;t cut back. absurd.

and why are you so quick to deny low skilled labor greater wages ? are you that special? what if they paid people $50 an hour and health care to grade a road. bet a lot of people would do the work.

your assumption that workers must accept low wages is ignorant.

So why is Trump importing low-wage foreign workers for his properties instaed of paying Americans decently for the same jobs?

+1 give me a break... we don't have a true market economy, not when people like Trump hire foreign workers for even low skilled labor when we have plenty here, and we have corporate welfare up the wazoo.

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Anonymous wrote:All those farmers who voted for Trump are going to be so delighted.

they're already panicking with all the deportations.

Very true. I know a road construction business owner in Texas who is already having serious problems finding Labor. And he’s a GOPer.

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."

-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum

http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

How’s Teitelbaum at operating a road grader? Because no amount of subsidies is bringing labor to South Texas to pave roads in the summer. The alternative is the road doesn’t get built or repaired.

i can remember liberals making the same argument about oil. if prices go up ahh, we can;t deal. people can;t cut back. absurd.

and why are you so quick to deny low skilled labor greater wages ? are you that special? what if they paid people $50 an hour and health care to grade a road. bet a lot of people would do the work.

your assumption that workers must accept low wages is ignorant.

So why is Trump importing low-wage foreign workers for his properties instaed of paying Americans decently for the same jobs?

Teitelbaum has no answer.

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Anonymous wrote:All those farmers who voted for Trump are going to be so delighted.

they're already panicking with all the deportations.

Very true. I know a road construction business owner in Texas who is already having serious problems finding Labor. And he’s a GOPer.

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."

-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum

http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

How’s Teitelbaum at operating a road grader? Because no amount of subsidies is bringing labor to South Texas to pave roads in the summer. The alternative is the road doesn’t get built or repaired.

i can remember liberals making the same argument about oil. if prices go up ahh, we can;t deal. people can;t cut back. absurd.

and why are you so quick to deny low skilled labor greater wages ? are you that special? what if they paid people $50 an hour and health care to grade a road. bet a lot of people would do the work.

your assumption that workers must accept low wages is ignorant.

So why is Trump importing low-wage foreign workers for his properties instaed of paying Americans decently for the same jobs?

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Anonymous wrote:All those farmers who voted for Trump are going to be so delighted.

they're already panicking with all the deportations.

Very true. I know a road construction business owner in Texas who is already having serious problems finding Labor. And he’s a GOPer.

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."

-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum

http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

How’s Teitelbaum at operating a road grader? Because no amount of subsidies is bringing labor to South Texas to pave roads in the summer. The alternative is the road doesn’t get built or repaired.

i can remember liberals making the same argument about oil. if prices go up ahh, we can;t deal. people can;t cut back. absurd.

and why are you so quick to deny low skilled labor greater wages ? are you that special? what if they paid people $50 an hour and health care to grade a road. bet a lot of people would do the work.

your assumption that workers must accept low wages is ignorant.

We have tried your experiment and it has failed miserably. Americans don’t want to move to remote locations to do back-breaking work no matter how much you pay them. The ones who do jump at the money, can’t do the job.

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Anonymous wrote:All those farmers who voted for Trump are going to be so delighted.

they're already panicking with all the deportations.

Very true. I know a road construction business owner in Texas who is already having serious problems finding Labor. And he’s a GOPer.

Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies. That is not to say that they don't exist. They are created when employers or government agencies tamper with the natural functioning of the wage mechanism.

"[To attract] workers, the employer may have to increase his wage offer. ... So when you hear an employer saying he needs immigrants to fill a "labor shortage'', remember what you are hearing: a cry for a labor subsidy to allow the employer to avoid the normal functioning of the labor market."

-1990 Congressional Testimony of Dr. Michael S. Teitelbaum

http://users.nber.org/~sewp/references/archive/weinsteinhowandwhygovernment.pdf

How’s Teitelbaum at operating a road grader? Because no amount of subsidies is bringing labor to South Texas to pave roads in the summer. The alternative is the road doesn’t get built or repaired.

i can remember liberals making the same argument about oil. if prices go up ahh, we can;t deal. people can;t cut back. absurd.

and why are you so quick to deny low skilled labor greater wages ? are you that special? what if they paid people $50 an hour and health care to grade a road. bet a lot of people would do the work.

your assumption that workers must accept low wages is ignorant.