William & Mary - lawyer 215K

I graduated from a liberal arts college, did a year of AmeriCorps, then went on to a top graduate school with a huge scholarship (because of the AmeriCorps service). When I was in AmeriCorps I made about 11k for the year.

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

+1 the idea of a 22 year old “consulting” with managers is the funniest sh*t I’ve ever heard.

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

I've always found "consulting" to be a total load of bullshit. What does that even mean? I know consultants, but that's mostly just the type of employment they have, not their duties. I do know one Management Consultant or whatever and she does actually basically bullshit for a huge corp that has tons of money to throw around. Good for her for making dough, but jesus it's just such a ridiculous racket because she doesn't actually DO anything.

but what could a person just out of college know that management needs to be consulted about? Maybe they're like an administrative assistant or something similar?

They are on a consulting team and likely doing the financial analysis, or market analysis, or programming or whatever. They are not advising the CEO just yet. Many consulting projects are large and require a big team and lots of grunt work. They may be in the office or at the client site. I am a management consultant and started this way. Now I do advise top management.

This is what i dislike about consultants - no real world experience, all theory. Yes, it sounds good in theory, but the devil is in the details. And for someone who goes into management consulting straight out of school, what real life experiences can you draw on other than what you read?

But I take it they are just learning the job at this point, supervised by the senior people - not unlike first year associates in a law firm.

Sorry, I ain’t griping about FY but more all the partners who never worked elsewhere other than the management consulting firm

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

I've always found "consulting" to be a total load of bullshit. What does that even mean? I know consultants, but that's mostly just the type of employment they have, not their duties. I do know one Management Consultant or whatever and she does actually basically bullshit for a huge corp that has tons of money to throw around. Good for her for making dough, but jesus it's just such a ridiculous racket because she doesn't actually DO anything.

but what could a person just out of college know that management needs to be consulted about? Maybe they're like an administrative assistant or something similar?

They are on a consulting team and likely doing the financial analysis, or market analysis, or programming or whatever. They are not advising the CEO just yet. Many consulting projects are large and require a big team and lots of grunt work. They may be in the office or at the client site. I am a management consultant and started this way. Now I do advise top management.

This is what i dislike about consultants - no real world experience, all theory. Yes, it sounds good in theory, but the devil is in the details. And for someone who goes into management consulting straight out of school, what real life experiences can you draw on other than what you read?

But I take it they are just learning the job at this point, supervised by the senior people - not unlike first year associates in a law firm.

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

I've always found "consulting" to be a total load of bullshit. What does that even mean? I know consultants, but that's mostly just the type of employment they have, not their duties. I do know one Management Consultant or whatever and she does actually basically bullshit for a huge corp that has tons of money to throw around. Good for her for making dough, but jesus it's just such a ridiculous racket because she doesn't actually DO anything.

but what could a person just out of college know that management needs to be consulted about? Maybe they're like an administrative assistant or something similar?

They are on a consulting team and likely doing the financial analysis, or market analysis, or programming or whatever. They are not advising the CEO just yet. Many consulting projects are large and require a big team and lots of grunt work. They may be in the office or at the client site. I am a management consultant and started this way. Now I do advise top management.

This is what i dislike about consultants - no real world experience, all theory. Yes, it sounds good in theory, but the devil is in the details. And for someone who goes into management consulting straight out of school, what real life experiences can you draw on other than what you read?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s probably best if people post the school. A liberal arts grad from Harvard et al. can probably get a solid job like PPs, but 99% of liberal arts grads aren’t coming from Harvard.

Yep. From what I saw UPenn liberal arts grads had no trouble getting corporate jobs including consulting and investment banking bc overall recruiting at the school is so strong. Different story for kids I knew with English degrees from Millersville, Bucknell and Bloomsburg.

Doesn't bucknell have a strong network in consulting/finance (not upenn strong, but pretty decent?)

Yeah millersville/bloomsburg not so much - are bucknell grads really underemployed?

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

I've always found "consulting" to be a total load of bullshit. What does that even mean? I know consultants, but that's mostly just the type of employment they have, not their duties. I do know one Management Consultant or whatever and she does actually basically bullshit for a huge corp that has tons of money to throw around. Good for her for making dough, but jesus it's just such a ridiculous racket because she doesn't actually DO anything.

but what could a person just out of college know that management needs to be consulted about? Maybe they're like an administrative assistant or something similar?

Research, quantitative analysis would be typical tasks - they would do work that no one else wants to do that is reviewed by two or more people before a client ever sees it.

McKinsey BA's (the entry level role there) are in meetings with the C-suite and below and are judged in interviews if they have the ability to speak to that level/calibre of client so its not just all grunt work.

PM @ MS/FB/Goog/AMZN , 150k all in comp. AWS grad within the last 3 years. majored in non-cs, non-engineering, but another stem subject.

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

I've always found "consulting" to be a total load of bullshit. What does that even mean? I know consultants, but that's mostly just the type of employment they have, not their duties. I do know one Management Consultant or whatever and she does actually basically bullshit for a huge corp that has tons of money to throw around. Good for her for making dough, but jesus it's just such a ridiculous racket because she doesn't actually DO anything.

but what could a person just out of college know that management needs to be consulted about? Maybe they're like an administrative assistant or something similar?

Research, quantitative analysis would be typical tasks - they would do work that no one else wants to do that is reviewed by two or more people before a client ever sees it.

Ok, so now we know ivy liberal arts grads can get hired right out of school, now can we hear about graduates from schools that most of us can relate to?

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

Management consulting firms (McKinsey, Booz, etc) definitely hire direct from college, and they train them in the ways of their firms. So, it’s not like the undergrad knows anything about business but the firm teaches them their workflow and processes, which is half the battle for that kind of job.

Also, to the poster who called BS, huge eye roll. I am a different poster but know several people from my own class (2006) who went this route and I graduated from a school ranked in the 60s. So yeah, it happens. And 85k can easily be close to the starting salary at a top tier one.

Thanks, that's what I was wondering about - not the salary.

My sister did this for an above named firm upon graduation from an Ivy. Her job entailed traveling to middling cities and putting together power point presentations for her bosses. She absolutely hated it and quit shortly after the one year mark. She was making 80k with bonus potential.

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

Management consulting firms (McKinsey, Booz, etc) definitely hire direct from college, and they train them in the ways of their firms. So, it’s not like the undergrad knows anything about business but the firm teaches them their workflow and processes, which is half the battle for that kind of job.

Also, to the poster who called BS, huge eye roll. I am a different poster but know several people from my own class (2006) who went this route and I graduated from a school ranked in the 60s. So yeah, it happens. And 85k can easily be close to the starting salary at a top tier one.

Thanks, that's what I was wondering about - not the salary.

DD making $85K is working at McKinsey in NYC. She graduated from a top Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:Management consulting, 85K (first year out of college)

just a innocuous question but how can someone just out of college do "management" consulting? What can they be consulting about? Seriously, that must just be a title masking some other duties.

Management consulting firms (McKinsey, Booz, etc) definitely hire direct from college, and they train them in the ways of their firms. So, it’s not like the undergrad knows anything about business but the firm teaches them their workflow and processes, which is half the battle for that kind of job.

Also, to the poster who called BS, huge eye roll. I am a different poster but know several people from my own class (2006) who went this route and I graduated from a school ranked in the 60s. So yeah, it happens. And 85k can easily be close to the starting salary at a top tier one.