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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.

(sigh) No, it is a misunderstanding of behavior theory - it's what someone would do who has an incomplete understanding of behavior theory. This negative behavior chart the teacher sends home is not helping and, actually, has the potential to hurt the child. Research is clear that positive reinforcement is better than negative, especially in younger kids. If this teacher (and you) had a more complete understanding of behavior theory, she would have found a way to emphasize the times the student was doing well rather than when he wasn't. No good can come of this negative behavior chart.

(double sigh) You are projecting that a Behavior Chart is a negative and only has negative attributes. That is on you, not the behavior chart.

lol talk about projecting!

read the OP. the behavior chart is indeed monitoring negative behavior (talking).

The behavior can be negative, but the reinforcement system should be positive. The child should be rewarded for not performing the behavior, rather punished for doing it.

Right. But that's not what is happening. Had the teacher an understanding of behavior theory, there would be a positive reinforcement that would reward the child for not talking. Instead, what comes home is a chart noting negative behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.

(sigh) No, it is a misunderstanding of behavior theory - it's what someone would do who has an incomplete understanding of behavior theory. This negative behavior chart the teacher sends home is not helping and, actually, has the potential to hurt the child. Research is clear that positive reinforcement is better than negative, especially in younger kids. If this teacher (and you) had a more complete understanding of behavior theory, she would have found a way to emphasize the times the student was doing well rather than when he wasn't. No good can come of this negative behavior chart.

(double sigh) You are projecting that a Behavior Chart is a negative and only has negative attributes. That is on you, not the behavior chart.

lol talk about projecting!

read the OP. the behavior chart is indeed monitoring negative behavior (talking).

I understand the context of OP's post. But the PP is making a blanket statement about Behavior Charts. Just because the PP (you? another?) has had a negative episode doesn't mean that they are all bad, just that this PP and her child's teacher or her own teacher handled them badly.

Behavior Charts actually can be quite beneficial for a child to receive immediate feedback (class by class or day by day, depending on the child) on their performance against standards and goals that have been laid out ahead of time. Coupled with a positive reinforcement system, clearly outlined and achievable goals, along with pre-taught appropriate self-management techniques and supports for the child, a child can make substantial and rapid progress such that the Behavior Chart can be quickly extinguished.

I understand that you don't like Behavior Charts and perhaps you are the same poster who is repeatedly posting. Behavior Charts in and of themselves are not bad; however, like any process or system, they can be used badly.

Now, with regards to OP's post. Frankly, if I were asked to assess what is happening, and just going off of the parent's post, I would say that this Behavior Chart is the teacher's call out in desperation. If that is the case then the teacher and parent need to meet so that they can come to agreement about what should be happening in the classroom and how the parents can support that. It does no one any good if the teacher is frustrated and not feeling supported, and the parent is being dismissive to the teacher's concerns and not trying to support goals for the child in the classroom.

Most programs that are successfully working with ADHD children will use some sort of Behavior Chart or Behavior Management System. It is critical that the child learn some techniques to self-monitor behavior and then to develop coping strategies. A properly used Behavior Chart can help the child access internal resources to help control their behaviors to improve learning outcomes in the classroom.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.

(sigh) No, it is a misunderstanding of behavior theory - it's what someone would do who has an incomplete understanding of behavior theory. This negative behavior chart the teacher sends home is not helping and, actually, has the potential to hurt the child. Research is clear that positive reinforcement is better than negative, especially in younger kids. If this teacher (and you) had a more complete understanding of behavior theory, she would have found a way to emphasize the times the student was doing well rather than when he wasn't. No good can come of this negative behavior chart.

(double sigh) You are projecting that a Behavior Chart is a negative and only has negative attributes. That is on you, not the behavior chart.

lol talk about projecting!

read the OP. the behavior chart is indeed monitoring negative behavior (talking).

The behavior can be negative, but the reinforcement system should be positive. The child should be rewarded for not performing the behavior, rather punished for doing it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.

(sigh) No, it is a misunderstanding of behavior theory - it's what someone would do who has an incomplete understanding of behavior theory. This negative behavior chart the teacher sends home is not helping and, actually, has the potential to hurt the child. Research is clear that positive reinforcement is better than negative, especially in younger kids. If this teacher (and you) had a more complete understanding of behavior theory, she would have found a way to emphasize the times the student was doing well rather than when he wasn't. No good can come of this negative behavior chart.

(double sigh) You are projecting that a Behavior Chart is a negative and only has negative attributes. That is on you, not the behavior chart.

lol talk about projecting!

read the OP. the behavior chart is indeed monitoring negative behavior (talking).

my dd used to have one, in her assignment book.

It was either happy face or ok face or sad face.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.[/quote]

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory[/quote]

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.[/quote]

(sigh) No, it is a [i]misunderstanding[/i] of behavior theory - it's what someone would do who has an incomplete understanding of behavior theory. This [b]negative[/b] behavior chart the teacher sends home is not helping and, actually, has the potential to hurt the child. Research is clear that positive reinforcement is better than negative, especially in younger kids. If this teacher (and you) had a more complete understanding of behavior theory, she would have found a way to emphasize the times the student was doing well rather than when he wasn't. No good can come of this negative behavior chart.

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(double sigh) You are projecting that a Behavior Chart is a negative and only has negative attributes. That is on you, not the behavior chart. [/quote]

Different Poster here. The purpose of the chart was not made clear to the parent and that's the problem. To do it in a positive way, the kid would get a reward for say 3 or fewer hatchmarks per day. But the parent would have to agree to an appropriate goal and know the system.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.

(sigh) No, it is a misunderstanding of behavior theory - it's what someone would do who has an incomplete understanding of behavior theory. This negative behavior chart the teacher sends home is not helping and, actually, has the potential to hurt the child. Research is clear that positive reinforcement is better than negative, especially in younger kids. If this teacher (and you) had a more complete understanding of behavior theory, she would have found a way to emphasize the times the student was doing well rather than when he wasn't. No good can come of this negative behavior chart.

(double sigh) You are projecting that a Behavior Chart is a negative and only has negative attributes. That is on you, not the behavior chart.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.

(sigh) No, it is a misunderstanding of behavior theory - it's what someone would do who has an incomplete understanding of behavior theory. This negative behavior chart the teacher sends home is not helping and, actually, has the potential to hurt the child. Research is clear that positive reinforcement is better than negative, especially in younger kids. If this teacher (and you) had a more complete understanding of behavior theory, she would have found a way to emphasize the times the student was doing well rather than when he wasn't. No good can come of this negative behavior chart.

I had a behavior chart I developed with the special ed teacher. DS brought it home every day. It was point based (1 point was low, 4 way high) and I tallied them up at home every day. My son helped me enter them into a spreadsheet. He got to trade in points to McD's , games or movies. It helped him a lot in 5th grade.

She is documenting the behavior although she should have discussed this with you. If your child's behavior is that disruptive, you need to medicate.

Is it possible that the teacher is focusing on reducing interruptions/call outs rather than eliminating them, and that the hash marks are data points for child and teacher rather than punishment?

As in, “okay Larlo, we tallied your interruptions every day for x days, and this is how many you had. Now let’s set a goal for this week.”

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Actually behavior theory would support a Behavior Chart. DP, by the way.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

You and the teacher have at least 2 things in common:

1. Limited imaginations
2. Ignorance of behavior theory

Maybe the teacher feels that another placement (or aide) is required, and so this is the way to start making a case for it?

I can't imagine trying to teach a class where someone was constantly talking. And I can't imagine sending my kids to that class to try to learn anything either.

Obviously the teacher is motivated by a desire for things to be better. Nobody would take on extra work for fun. Obviously the current ideas weren't working (or at least not well enough) so the teacher is trying something new.

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Anonymous wrote:The behavior charts should focus on positive behavior- what you are describing is an old school demerit chart. It is better for the child to work for positive reinforcement than to try to avoid negative. But it takes more teacher effort to reinforce positive behavior.

Agree.

The teacher may not know any better. A lot don't.

My DS had a teacher like this and she actually made DS’s behavior a lot worse with her stupid behavior chart. Once DS got a FBA and a BIP - a behavior chart that only used positive reinforcement, all problematic behaviors disappeared in a week, not exaggerating.