Anonymous
11/21/2017 13:28
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The paranoia about carbs. On what planet do you think a chicken breast puffed up from hormones (even without) is better for you than lentils? Or a sweet potato? Total upside down ridiculousness.
"Carbs" in the dieting world refer to bread, pastas, desserts, etc... People don't seem to understand that vegetables are healthy carbs and also a healthy source of protein. Oh well, more broccoli for me!
Atkins and "keto" don't permit most fruits, vegetables, and whole grains - they demonize all carbs and don't distinguish between a twinkie and an apple, which is asinine. And Paleo doesn't allow extremely nutritious grains like lentils. I can't believe how many people follow these stupid, unhealthy, unsustainable diet trends.
And not only that, but they get rebranded! (Keto, formerly known as Atkins)
Where are you getting your information on Keto? Keto includes tons of healthy vegetables = avocados, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, etc. Limited amounts of the starchier vegetables, like tomatoes, beets, . .
Perhaps your body processes starch just fine, mine does well with less starch.
Reading is fundamental. Perhaps your brain could use more carbohydrates to function better?
Perhaps losing some weight would make you less condescending?
Already lost 60lbs, and am a size 4! Lost it (and maintained for many years now) eating lots and lots and carbs. I'd say mostly carbs, to be honest. Potatoes, apples, beans, greens, grains, even some cookies now and then. You should try it! Maybe you'd be less cranky - and also have better brain function
Anonymous
11/21/2017 13:01
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a fairly serious runner, and I can't tell you how many times people who do Paleo or Atkins have told me I should give up carbs. It's ridiculous. (I could lose 5-10 lbs but don't really need to, so it's not like I actually need dieting advice in the first place.) Our brains need carbs to function, and strenuous cardio activity runs on carbs.
This happens to be my area of research so I'll chime in. To say this as a blanket statement is, simply put, untrue. Strenuous cardio activity also does not need to "run on carbs". There are epileptics for whom an extremely low carb diet is the only way to control seizures. Are you implying their brains do not function? There are indigenous cultures whose diets consist almost solely of animal products and very little carbohydrate, yet they spend entire days on their feet, hunting. How do they keep it up without carbs?
What is true: For YOU, eliminating carbs may be bad. But that doesn't mean it's bad dieting advice.
What gets on my nerves about the most vocal haters is the inability to accept that diet advice is not one-size-fits all. The unfair truth is some people can maintain their health and weight just fine on a low fat, snackwells-laden diet. Some can't. There is plenty of science-based research out there to support intermittent fasting, ketogenic, low carbohydrate, as the solution for many who've otherwise struggled. But unfortunately the noise of the "It's just a craze" crowd is loud enough to drown it out, and it will likely take decades to undo what your primary care physician is currently telling you about diet and exercise. I know plenty of people who think if they just keep their processed food choices within their WW points range and keep pounding out that Couch-to-5k, they're going to get there. And they're probably not, and they're probably doing themselves more harm in the process.
From the first word to the last, this is almost entirely wrong or skewed.
1. Processed food will never be a good choice, not nutritionally, but isn't by its very nature anathema to weight loss.
2. This entire paragraph assumes diet is all and only about weight loss. Complex Carbohydrates provide essential fiber, nutrients, and fuel at the cellular level.
3. No, you do not NEED carbohydrates for energy. However, if you are eating a low carb diet, and are not overweight, you will begin burning muscle proteins for energy.
4. Back to weight loss--since loss of muscle mass is the number one cause of lowered metabolism, you create a vicious cycle by never really building muscle.
5. Most of the research suggests that these diets are good for people with some health issues, such as diabetes or epilepsy. The long term effects are not well-known.
6. but I am pretty sure, using common sense, that a diet without complex fiber, vegetables and fruits is an impoverished one.
You can survive, but not thrive.
Hi, did you even read what I said? I said some people maintain their HEALTH and weight fine on a diet of processed foods. So, I don't think it's anathema to weight loss by any means. And I agree that complex carbs provide essential elements, and a varied diet is quite positive for most people, and fiber, vegetables, and fruits can be good for you. As I stated, I'm a proponent of a one-size-does-not-fit-all philosophy. But, I cringe to hear the blanket statements that you and PP have used (or maybe you're the same person): "If you are eating a low carb diet and are not overweight you will begin burning muscle proteins for energy." "Loss of muscle mass is the number one cause of lowered metabolism." Neither of these are necessarily true statements. If you are eating a low carb diet and are not overweight, you need to eat a sufficient amount of fat. From a clinical perspective, metabolic issues are likely triggered by obesity, insulin resistance, and yes, lack of muscle mass. But the ONE factor studies consistently point to as contributing to all of the aforementioned conditions? Excess carbohydrate intake. Not excess fat intake, not excess calorie intake (though certainly that is not blameless), not lack of jogging 2 miles a day. CARBS.
Anonymous
11/21/2017 12:09
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The paranoia about carbs. On what planet do you think a chicken breast puffed up from hormones (even without) is better for you than lentils? Or a sweet potato? Total upside down ridiculousness.
"Carbs" in the dieting world refer to bread, pastas, desserts, etc... People don't seem to understand that vegetables are healthy carbs and also a healthy source of protein. Oh well, more broccoli for me!
Atkins and "keto" don't permit most fruits, vegetables, and whole grains - they demonize all carbs and don't distinguish between a twinkie and an apple, which is asinine. And Paleo doesn't allow extremely nutritious grains like lentils. I can't believe how many people follow these stupid, unhealthy, unsustainable diet trends.
And not only that, but they get rebranded! (Keto, formerly known as Atkins)
Where are you getting your information on Keto? Keto includes tons of healthy vegetables = avocados, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, etc. Limited amounts of the starchier vegetables, like tomatoes, beets, . .
Perhaps your body processes starch just fine, mine does well with less starch.
Reading is fundamental. Perhaps your brain could use more carbohydrates to function better?
Perhaps losing some weight would make you less condescending?
Anonymous
11/21/2017 11:56
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:The worst "dieting" advice I ever got:
1. "You don't really need to eat every day!"
2. "Make sure you puke it up within 25 minutes!"
3. "Eat two cottonballs soaked in orange juice to stave off hunger pangs!"
4. "Take sleeping pills instead of dinner a few times a week!"
wait a min. Two cottonballs soaked in orange juice? Did anyone really do this?!
Anonymous
11/21/2017 11:50
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The paranoia about carbs. On what planet do you think a chicken breast puffed up from hormones (even without) is better for you than lentils? Or a sweet potato? Total upside down ridiculousness.
"Carbs" in the dieting world refer to bread, pastas, desserts, etc... People don't seem to understand that vegetables are healthy carbs and also a healthy source of protein. Oh well, more broccoli for me!
Atkins and "keto" don't permit most fruits, vegetables, and whole grains - they demonize all carbs and don't distinguish between a twinkie and an apple, which is asinine. And Paleo doesn't allow extremely nutritious grains like lentils. I can't believe how many people follow these stupid, unhealthy, unsustainable diet trends.
And not only that, but they get rebranded! (Keto, formerly known as Atkins)
Where are you getting your information on Keto? Keto includes tons of healthy vegetables = avocados, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, etc. Limited amounts of the starchier vegetables, like tomatoes, beets, . .
Perhaps your body processes starch just fine, mine does well with less starch.
Reading is fundamental. Perhaps your brain could use more carbohydrates to function better?
Anonymous
11/21/2017 11:05
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a fairly serious runner, and I can't tell you how many times people who do Paleo or Atkins have told me I should give up carbs. It's ridiculous. (I could lose 5-10 lbs but don't really need to, so it's not like I actually need dieting advice in the first place.) Our brains need carbs to function, and strenuous cardio activity runs on carbs.
This happens to be my area of research so I'll chime in. To say this as a blanket statement is, simply put, untrue. Strenuous cardio activity also does not need to "run on carbs". There are epileptics for whom an extremely low carb diet is the only way to control seizures. Are you implying their brains do not function? There are indigenous cultures whose diets consist almost solely of animal products and very little carbohydrate, yet they spend entire days on their feet, hunting. How do they keep it up without carbs?
What is true: For YOU, eliminating carbs may be bad. But that doesn't mean it's bad dieting advice.
What gets on my nerves about the most vocal haters is the inability to accept that diet advice is not one-size-fits all. The unfair truth is some people can maintain their health and weight just fine on a low fat, snackwells-laden diet. Some can't. There is plenty of science-based research out there to support intermittent fasting, ketogenic, low carbohydrate, as the solution for many who've otherwise struggled. But unfortunately the noise of the "It's just a craze" crowd is loud enough to drown it out, and it will likely take decades to undo what your primary care physician is currently telling you about diet and exercise. I know plenty of people who think if they just keep their processed food choices within their WW points range and keep pounding out that Couch-to-5k, they're going to get there. And they're probably not, and they're probably doing themselves more harm in the process.
From the first word to the last, this is almost entirely wrong or skewed.
1. Processed food will never be a good choice, not nutritionally, but isn't by its very nature anathema to weight loss.
2. This entire paragraph assumes diet is all and only about weight loss. Complex Carbohydrates provide essential fiber, nutrients, and fuel at the cellular level.
3. No, you do not NEED carbohydrates for energy. However, if you are eating a low carb diet, and are not overweight, you will begin burning muscle proteins for energy.
4. Back to weight loss--since loss of muscle mass is the number one cause of lowered metabolism, you create a vicious cycle by never really building muscle.
5. Most of the research suggests that these diets are good for people with some health issues, such as diabetes or epilepsy. The long term effects are not well-known.
6. but I am pretty sure, using common sense, that a diet without complex fiber, vegetables and fruits is an impoverished one.
You can survive, but not thrive.
Not PP, but if you get enough protein, no, you will begin burning muscle for energy.
Anonymous
11/21/2017 11:03
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The paranoia about carbs. On what planet do you think a chicken breast puffed up from hormones (even without) is better for you than lentils? Or a sweet potato? Total upside down ridiculousness.
"Carbs" in the dieting world refer to bread, pastas, desserts, etc... People don't seem to understand that vegetables are healthy carbs and also a healthy source of protein. Oh well, more broccoli for me!
Atkins and "keto" don't permit most fruits, vegetables, and whole grains - they demonize all carbs and don't distinguish between a twinkie and an apple, which is asinine. And Paleo doesn't allow extremely nutritious grains like lentils. I can't believe how many people follow these stupid, unhealthy, unsustainable diet trends.
And not only that, but they get rebranded! (Keto, formerly known as Atkins)
Where are you getting your information on Keto? Keto includes tons of healthy vegetables = avocados, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, etc. Limited amounts of the starchier vegetables, like tomatoes, beets, . .
Perhaps your body processes starch just fine, mine does well with less starch.
Anonymous
11/21/2017 10:59
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a fairly serious runner, and I can't tell you how many times people who do Paleo or Atkins have told me I should give up carbs. It's ridiculous. (I could lose 5-10 lbs but don't really need to, so it's not like I actually need dieting advice in the first place.) Our brains need carbs to function, and strenuous cardio activity runs on carbs.
This happens to be my area of research so I'll chime in. To say this as a blanket statement is, simply put, untrue. Strenuous cardio activity also does not need to "run on carbs". There are epileptics for whom an extremely low carb diet is the only way to control seizures. Are you implying their brains do not function? There are indigenous cultures whose diets consist almost solely of animal products and very little carbohydrate, yet they spend entire days on their feet, hunting. How do they keep it up without carbs?
What is true: For YOU, eliminating carbs may be bad. But that doesn't mean it's bad dieting advice.
What gets on my nerves about the most vocal haters is the inability to accept that diet advice is not one-size-fits all. The unfair truth is some people can maintain their health and weight just fine on a low fat, snackwells-laden diet. Some can't. There is plenty of science-based research out there to support intermittent fasting, ketogenic, low carbohydrate, as the solution for many who've otherwise struggled. But unfortunately the noise of the "It's just a craze" crowd is loud enough to drown it out, and it will likely take decades to undo what your primary care physician is currently telling you about diet and exercise. I know plenty of people who think if they just keep their processed food choices within their WW points range and keep pounding out that Couch-to-5k, they're going to get there. And they're probably not, and they're probably doing themselves more harm in the process.
From the first word to the last, this is almost entirely wrong or skewed.
1. Processed food will never be a good choice, not nutritionally, but isn't by its very nature anathema to weight loss.
2. This entire paragraph assumes diet is all and only about weight loss. Complex Carbohydrates provide essential fiber, nutrients, and fuel at the cellular level.
3. No, you do not NEED carbohydrates for energy. However, if you are eating a low carb diet, and are not overweight, you will begin burning muscle proteins for energy.
4. Back to weight loss--since loss of muscle mass is the number one cause of lowered metabolism, you create a vicious cycle by never really building muscle.
5. Most of the research suggests that these diets are good for people with some health issues, such as diabetes or epilepsy. The long term effects are not well-known.
6. but I am pretty sure, using common sense, that a diet without complex fiber, vegetables and fruits is an impoverished one.
You can survive, but not thrive.
Anonymous
11/21/2017 10:39
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:I'm a fairly serious runner, and I can't tell you how many times people who do Paleo or Atkins have told me I should give up carbs. It's ridiculous. (I could lose 5-10 lbs but don't really need to, so it's not like I actually need dieting advice in the first place.) Our brains need carbs to function, and strenuous cardio activity runs on carbs.
This happens to be my area of research so I'll chime in. To say this as a blanket statement is, simply put, untrue. Strenuous cardio activity also does not need to "run on carbs". There are epileptics for whom an extremely low carb diet is the only way to control seizures. Are you implying their brains do not function? There are indigenous cultures whose diets consist almost solely of animal products and very little carbohydrate, yet they spend entire days on their feet, hunting. How do they keep it up without carbs?
What is true: For YOU, eliminating carbs may be bad. But that doesn't mean it's bad dieting advice.
What gets on my nerves about the most vocal haters is the inability to accept that diet advice is not one-size-fits all. The unfair truth is some people can maintain their health and weight just fine on a low fat, snackwells-laden diet. Some can't. There is plenty of science-based research out there to support intermittent fasting, ketogenic, low carbohydrate, as the solution for many who've otherwise struggled. But unfortunately the noise of the "It's just a craze" crowd is loud enough to drown it out, and it will likely take decades to undo what your primary care physician is currently telling you about diet and exercise. I know plenty of people who think if they just keep their processed food choices within their WW points range and keep pounding out that Couch-to-5k, they're going to get there. And they're probably not, and they're probably doing themselves more harm in the process.
Anonymous
11/21/2017 10:13
Subject: Bad dieting advice
The worst "dieting" advice I ever got:
1. "You don't really need to eat every day!"
2. "Make sure you puke it up within 25 minutes!"
3. "Eat two cottonballs soaked in orange juice to stave off hunger pangs!"
4. "Take sleeping pills instead of dinner a few times a week!"
1. "You don't really need to eat every day!"
2. "Make sure you puke it up within 25 minutes!"
3. "Eat two cottonballs soaked in orange juice to stave off hunger pangs!"
4. "Take sleeping pills instead of dinner a few times a week!"
Anonymous
11/21/2017 10:08
Subject: Bad dieting advice
I'm a fairly serious runner, and I can't tell you how many times people who do Paleo or Atkins have told me I should give up carbs. It's ridiculous. (I could lose 5-10 lbs but don't really need to, so it's not like I actually need dieting advice in the first place.) Our brains need carbs to function, and strenuous cardio activity runs on carbs.
Anonymous
11/21/2017 09:47
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The paranoia about carbs. On what planet do you think a chicken breast puffed up from hormones (even without) is better for you than lentils? Or a sweet potato? Total upside down ridiculousness.
"Carbs" in the dieting world refer to bread, pastas, desserts, etc... People don't seem to understand that vegetables are healthy carbs and also a healthy source of protein. Oh well, more broccoli for me!
Atkins and "keto" don't permit most fruits, vegetables, and whole grains - they demonize all carbs and don't distinguish between a twinkie and an apple, which is asinine. And Paleo doesn't allow extremely nutritious grains like lentils. I can't believe how many people follow these stupid, unhealthy, unsustainable diet trends.
And not only that, but they get rebranded! (Keto, formerly known as Atkins)
Anonymous
11/21/2017 09:40
Subject: Bad dieting advice
I'm curious - when someone says intermittent fasting is "a craze", are they disputing the published research, or are they saying that others have blown it out of proportion? I.e. taken specific scientific findings and blown them out of proportion for commercial gain --- like has been done in the fitness world where every tired old gym routine now has the acronym HIIT added to the name?
Anonymous
11/21/2017 08:31
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whole30 and intermittent fasting are the new Snackwells low fat craze.
Amen!!! I keep saying that over and over and over again on this thread, but all these women are convinced that intermittent fasting is the shit.
+ 1
YESSSSS
Anonymous
11/21/2017 08:13
Subject: Bad dieting advice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The paranoia about carbs. On what planet do you think a chicken breast puffed up from hormones (even without) is better for you than lentils? Or a sweet potato? Total upside down ridiculousness.
I see you've been brainwashed by Big Lentil.
It's called the USA Pulse Association and it's REAL!! I even saw a BMW convertible with vanity plates reading "PEAS" driving down K St once. Huge influence, you don't even know.