Anonymous wrote:Uhhhh, no.

"I think they have gotten much worse recently."

Things have ABSOLUTELY gotten worse with everyone trying to be a partying snapchat celebrity.

Honestly, when people stop paying for their kids to join.

Anonymous wrote:Fraternity men make up 85 percent of U.S. Supreme Court justices since 1910, 63 percent of all U.S. presidential cabinet members since 1900, and, historically, 76 percent of U.S. Senators, 85 percent of Fortune 500 executives,and 71 percent of the men in “Who’s Who in America.” And that’s not counting the 18 ex-frat U.S. presidents since 1877 (that’s 69 percent) and the 120 Forbes 500 CEOs (24 percent) from the 2003 list, including 10—or one-third—of the top 30. In the 113th Congress alone, 38 of the hundred Senate members come from fraternity (and, now, sorority) backgrounds, as does a full quarter of the House. Is there something inherent in the fraternity culture that sends its members to the country’s top echelons?

That would be The Good Ol' Boy Network, of which fraternities are but one particularly gross manifestation.

Why don't we teach our kids better?

There is just never a good reason for anyone to get drunk. Girls get raped, guys rape or get killed, people get behind the wheel and kill other people or themselves.

Why have we become a culture where the only thing entertaining to teens and college kids is getting drunk?

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Anonymous wrote:This particular story is so deeply disturbing, I can't believe there are still fraternities on Penn State campus...honestly.

Imagine being his brother and knowing you were just minutes away if anyone would've bothered to call you. And I can't even bring myself to imagine being his parents.

I hope everyone one of the frat members who ignored his obvious injuries and medical issues and those who tried to cover up what happened are thrown in jail for a long, long time. These are exactly the types of sociopaths who go on to become a$$h0l3 bosses and politicians destroying society.

This story is especially horrific. But imagine if your kid was sitting in his dorm room studying all night. His good friend and roommate (19 years old) came home from a party, passed out on the bed and began choking on his own vomit.

Your kid runs over and tries to help his buddy as best as he can. Then he starts to debate....should he call 911 knowing that his roommate will very likely get into big trouble over this (maybe expelled or even arrested for underage drinking) or should he wait and watch hoping that his friend will sleep it off and be o.k. in the morning?

What would you advise your kid to do in that situation?

No brainer for me. Alive > expulsion. My kid should call 911.

O.k. Now your kid is the one who is passed out. His friend turns him on his side so that he won't choke on his vomit. Do you want the friend to call 911 or should the friend wait, watch and see if he'll sleep it off?

Fraternity men make up 85 percent of U.S. Supreme Court justices since 1910, 63 percent of all U.S. presidential cabinet members since 1900, and, historically, 76 percent of U.S. Senators, 85 percent of Fortune 500 executives,and 71 percent of the men in “Who’s Who in America.” And that’s not counting the 18 ex-frat U.S. presidents since 1877 (that’s 69 percent) and the 120 Forbes 500 CEOs (24 percent) from the 2003 list, including 10—or one-third—of the top 30. In the 113th Congress alone, 38 of the hundred Senate members come from fraternity (and, now, sorority) backgrounds, as does a full quarter of the House. Is there something inherent in the fraternity culture that sends its members to the country’s top echelons?

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Anonymous wrote:This particular story is so deeply disturbing, I can't believe there are still fraternities on Penn State campus...honestly.

Imagine being his brother and knowing you were just minutes away if anyone would've bothered to call you. And I can't even bring myself to imagine being his parents.

I hope everyone one of the frat members who ignored his obvious injuries and medical issues and those who tried to cover up what happened are thrown in jail for a long, long time. These are exactly the types of sociopaths who go on to become a$$h0l3 bosses and politicians destroying society.

This story is especially horrific. But imagine if your kid was sitting in his dorm room studying all night. His good friend and roommate (19 years old) came home from a party, passed out on the bed and began choking on his own vomit.

Your kid runs over and tries to help his buddy as best as he can. Then he starts to debate....should he call 911 knowing that his roommate will very likely get into big trouble over this (maybe expelled or even arrested for underage drinking) or should he wait and watch hoping that his friend will sleep it off and be o.k. in the morning?

What would you advise your kid to do in that situation?

No brainer for me. Alive > expulsion. My kid should call 911.

Anonymous wrote:This particular story is so deeply disturbing, I can't believe there are still fraternities on Penn State campus...honestly.

Imagine being his brother and knowing you were just minutes away if anyone would've bothered to call you. And I can't even bring myself to imagine being his parents.

I hope everyone one of the frat members who ignored his obvious injuries and medical issues and those who tried to cover up what happened are thrown in jail for a long, long time. These are exactly the types of sociopaths who go on to become a$$h0l3 bosses and politicians destroying society.

This story is especially horrific. But imagine if your kid was sitting in his dorm room studying all night. His good friend and roommate (19 years old) came home from a party, passed out on the bed and began choking on his own vomit.

Your kid runs over and tries to help his buddy as best as he can. Then he starts to debate....should he call 911 knowing that his roommate will very likely get into big trouble over this (maybe expelled or even arrested for underage drinking) or should he wait and watch hoping that his friend will sleep it off and be o.k. in the morning?

What would you advise your kid to do in that situation?

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Anonymous wrote:Apartment parties are not necessarily safer!

I think the vast majority of alcohol-intoxication issues come not from just the parties themselves but from the hazing.

Rape is a different issue, but I still think the stats bear out that it's worse at frat parties.

This hazing is not sanctioned by the fraternity chapters - that's the thing. The problem is, that no responsible person of age is going to be willing to stick their neck out to supervise these parties and make sure that chapter rules are followed with regards to "hazing".

Inexperienced kids are going to get drunk and break all the rules and do stupid and sometimes tragic things. Unintended consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the non fraternity parties are much, much worse. They just aren't associated with a big name that the college can blame.

I think this is very true.

Fray boys are apparently 3x as likely to rape:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/24/rape-sexual-assault-ban-frats

Relevant excerpt:

"numerous studies have found that men who join fraternities are three times more likely to rape, that women in sororities are 74% more likely to experience rape than other college women"

When women could buy their own alcohol, when they could get their own beer directly from a keg or their own bottle of beer directly from the bar, I do think that things were safer.

Right now, with pretty much most undergrads being classified as "underage" and thus reliant on older individuals to purchase and (illegally) supply their alcohol, the logistics of these parties has changed. I'm not sure how many responsible grad students would be willing to watch over and help the younger students in these types of situations. I know that I sure as heck wouldn't be.

There used to be some unofficial safety measures in place at these parties and they were definitely safer than a lot of the apartment and block parties that I went to at that age. Maybe things are getting out of hand in ways that I have never seen. It's a different time.

There appear to have been some unintended harsh consequences of raising the drinking age.

Anonymous wrote:Apartment parties are not necessarily safer!

I think the vast majority of alcohol-intoxication issues come not from just the parties themselves but from the hazing.

Rape is a different issue, but I still think the stats bear out that it's worse at frat parties.

This particular story is so deeply disturbing, I can't believe there are still fraternities on Penn State campus...honestly.

Imagine being his brother and knowing you were just minutes away if anyone would've bothered to call you. And I can't even bring myself to imagine being his parents.

I hope everyone one of the frat members who ignored his obvious injuries and medical issues and those who tried to cover up what happened are thrown in jail for a long, long time. These are exactly the types of sociopaths who go on to become a$$h0l3 bosses and politicians destroying society.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the non fraternity parties are much, much worse. They just aren't associated with a big name that the college can blame.

I think this is very true.

Fray boys are apparently 3x as likely to rape:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/24/rape-sexual-assault-ban-frats

Relevant excerpt:

"numerous studies have found that men who join fraternities are three times more likely to rape, that women in sororities are 74% more likely to experience rape than other college women"

Not surprising at all.

Anonymous wrote:Why are you trying to make this political? It is up to the universities, not the federal government. The government cannot disallow clubs and organizations.

OP again. It IS political. There is an exemption to Title IX for fraternital organizations. If the exemption is taken away they become illegal. You should educate yourself before posting.

Colleges are afraid to outright ban greek organizations. Greeks are disproportionately from affluent backgrounds, and tend to have a disproportionate amount of financial and political power in their regions.